Police that can’t be trusted

Well it is a start but the issue is he was a genuine police officer.

www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/news/2021/october/lone-police-officers-to-offer-verification-check-to-members-of-the-public/

I don’t know how successful this will be in practice but it is a start.

What are the police like in Australia nanna8, am curious.

Agree nanna8 but surely not ‘quite a minority’.

Most police are good and honest, that goes without saying but it seems there are quite a minority who are not. A good start would be to get rid of every single one of those officers involved with that WhatsApp group. No arguments, they are not suitable for their jobs. Those at the top who have turned a blind eye to that sort of rubbish should also go because that is where the buck stops.A clean sweep , literally, is called for.

SueDomin I only spoke of deaths in car crashes because they
were omitted from number of deaths.

15 deaths in 12 years is 15 too many but there were 135,301 police officers in Wales and England March 2021. It seems they
are all being tarred with the same brush.

Mollygo spoke of the police refusing to come out to a burglary in 1975. In 1972 a friend of ours ,police officer, was shot and blinded , in 1974 another police officer friend was called to a house because neighbours reported a man hitting his wife, Henry went immediately, the wife struck him on the
head with an old iron frying pan.

My concerns are the facts that there are some bastards in the
force but they are certainly not the majority.

Being burgled in 1975 wasn’t much fun. Our neighbours reported some one entering the house but the police told them they couldn’t come straight away. Then when we called to report the burglary, they said there was no point in coming if they couldn’t catch them in the act.

I’ve expressed my sorrow at your loss before, Anniebach, and do so again.

However, I don’t really understand how that reflects on Sarah Everard’s death and the police culture around it. 15 women have died at the hands of serving or former police officers in the last twelve years. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/28/at-least-15-serving-or-former-police-have-killed-women-in-uk-since-2009-report

Is that in Wales Annie? Near to you?

Yes you worry lemon , i am in turmoil because my younger
granddaughter who graduated with a degree in criminal
psychology has applied for a position in the force, not joining the force,

Annie I didn’t know that statistic.I worry about our SIL all the time.

68 police officers have been killed since 1900, the list excludes
more than 300 killed during the troubles and officers killed in
car crashes, so my husband doesn’t count.

Yes, Andy has grown into his role hasn’t he. Much more grounded, experienced and believable than when he lost to Corbyn. I often think if only he’d won. The country would be in better shape

You’re right!?

Iam64

I’m in Greater Manchester, where we have a new chief constable appointed as our force is in special measures. Andy Burnham our Mayor, said on any questions today that one of his agreements with the new CC is that burglary will result in a police visit. In recent times, it hasn’t.
My father was a police officer. He took burglary seriously because in his view it was like a serious assault on the person in view of the emotional and psychological damage it caused.

Years ago we were burgled and it stayed with me for a long time. Every day when I came back from work I wondered if I’d be met with more devastation. You’re right? It’s such an invasion and you don’t feel safe for a long time.

I heard Andy Burnham today. I could really get behind him.

I’m in Greater Manchester, where we have a new chief constable appointed as our force is in special measures. Andy Burnham our Mayor, said on any questions today that one of his agreements with the new CC is that burglary will result in a police visit. In recent times, it hasn’t.
My father was a police officer. He took burglary seriously because in his view it was like a serious assault on the person in view of the emotional and psychological damage it caused.

I don’t think any of us would disagree with your post, but there is no doubt that the Met has a huge amount of work to regain trust. This is just one thing and the most appalling amongst a huge amount of issues over the past 10 years or so.

Trust has been gradually eroded. The black community, women, and others have all cause to feel distrustful and the police need a complete reform in order to get back on the sort of footing we all should expect from our police.

Well said, foxie48.

Good to see your post foxie48. My work an personal experience of the police has been overwhelmingly positive. I was saddened to hear officers phoning Any Questions todaymtalking about how demoralised they feel. They could fill the JGV driver gap, earn more and not face abuse

Unfortunately people who want to do bad things to people are attracted to jobs where they have authority, power or access to those they want to hurt. Think teachers who abuse children, members of the clergy (including nuns) who are abusive to children, scout leaders who take children camping, sports coaches who have authority and access to opportunity, police officers who deal with vulnerable people. Honestly the list goes on so I think it's wise to keep a sense of proportion. The police force (like any large organisation) is a microcosm of society with the added attraction to evil people that it gives power and access, a bit like Shipman had as a GP. I've not had a lot of dealings with the police but those occasions that I have, I've found them kind, efficient and considerate. I had to phone 999 earlier this year because a close relative with mental health issues was threatening to commit suicide and I was a long way from them. it was the most difficult call I've ever made and the police were fantastic. yes, of course there's always room for improvement, but FGS let's not ignore the good work they do. Most members of the police are dedicated, hard working competent people and there are a few who are not

I wondered if it was part of his confession Lucca. Looking at some reports it does say 'it is thought he used lockdown rule breaking'.

For the first time since the reduction in police numbers, I have just seen two coppers on the beat.

I agree that the police have a really hard job but I also think there is a plenty of space for improvement - as there is in any huge organisation.

There is no room for complacency - ever.
Someone should be assigned to examine past failures and suggest improvements.
My DS applied to join the police a couple of years ago but failed the medical because he was found to be colour-blind.
You would think that someone who is intelligent, compassionate and brave should have a role in our police.

Listened to Any Questions this afternoon. One of the contributors said that any solution should be disregarded if the sentence began with ‘Women should ……’

Let’s remember that many police officers do a good job in very trying circumstances. Recently, my daughter had cause to contact the domestic violence unit. Two police officers arrived and she logged the incident but didn’t currently want to take it further. She told me they were vey kind and understanding, doing a great job.

I’m in no way excusing this evil man, nor his mates who were involved in the WhatsApp group. These mates should be drummed out of the force.

Police recruitment needs to examined together with the whole culture of misogyny.

Galaxy

It's been reported in the press Lucca.

I know, but how is it known ?? Is there a recording ?