Conservative party conference outcomes

some of us would argue that you don't sell your essential services and utilities to your nearest neighbours, then totally alienate them after spendig years negotiating a Deal, word for word, clear as a bell, and sign it.

Perhaps?

Lucca I've just looked back to see what I was responding to. Can't find anything so I was either thinking I was on a different thread or I had a brain storm. Either way I was arguing with my DH about ordering something over the internet!

Kali2 That was it.

Kali2

some of us would argue that you don't sell your essential services and utilities to your nearest neighbours, then totally alienate them after spendig years negotiating a Deal, word for word, clear as a bell, and sign it.

Perhaps?

Then after you've negoiated on the deal, threaten to renege on it!

Yes, realised I'd forgotten that massively important bit!

When the Telegraph and most of the Tabloids turn against Johnson, you know it won't be long!!! (sent to me by a friend, I do not have acces to the DF!)

Copy and paste from the Daily Mail, so you don’t have to visit the site:

“The Prime Minister's Manchester Tory conference speech was packed with gags and almost devoid of new policies with only a cursory mention of the multiple crises gripping the country from the cost of living and petrol station queues to supply chain chaos and the potential slaughter of 150,000 pigs because of a lack of butchers. Millions are facing a financial squeeze because of inflation driven by labour shortages, rising energy costs, a lack of HGV drivers and gaps in global supply chains as it was revealed already hard-pressed already families face paying £1,700 more for energy by April and an extra £1,800 for other essentials by Christmas .Matthew Lesh of the Adam Smith Institute said: 'Boris' rhetoric was bombastic but vacuous and economically illiterate. Shortages and rising prices simply cannot be blustered away with rhetoric about migrants.' Mark Littlewood of the Institute of Economic Affairs, said: 'Unnecessarily restricting the supply of labour may lead to wage increases, but these will be passed on in price increases. A strategy to make things more expensive will not create a genuinely high wage economy, merely the illusion of one.' One critic who watched the speech said: 'Britain burns while Johnson fiddles'. As Mr Johnson told a bewitched audience of party members, MPs and minister of his vision for a 'high wage, high skilled, high productivity' economy, the price of wholesale gas surged by £1 a unit to 400p per therm - up 37% in a day and now 600 per cent higher than the start of 2021, making it inevitable that energy bills will soar for British households and companies in the coming months. And in more bad news, National Grid's chief executive John Pettigrew told the FT that Britain will face tighter electricity supplies this winter due to a lack of capacity in the system and a colder winter predicted, which means the cost of electricity will increase as gas prices spike to record high.”

Well - this is from the Daily Mail? That is encouraging.

Thank you all for your replies and for the few actual answers to my question.

I hear what people are saying about Covid meaning that the Conservatives couldn't follow their original plan for Brexit. That said, Covid has been around for 20 months or so now - surely time to make alternative plans based on new information. In times of emergency surely quick thinking and decisive plans and actions are the way forward.

The PM has today told us what his aims are. I just wonder if anyone is clear how those aims are going to be achieved. All very well to say 'levelling up'. 'high skill/high wage' - but where and what are the plans for turning this into reality? Where are the costings, timescales, measurable objectives and desired outcomes? What is to be our role in this? What is actually required of businesses? When will we know when we've achieved the aims and what will that mean for the country? What will the tangible benefits be and for whom?

Build back better sounds a bit 'playgroup' to me. When are we going to get the bit for the grown ups?

Every single Leave campaigner said it was going to be EASY.

Just STOP trying to tell us that leave voters knew it would be difficult. Because that makes it even more infuriating; that people actually voted to make things worse

Sorry to raise your blood pressure MaizieD but I was definitely another one who said there would be bumps in the road but WORTH IT!

- as an aside.
Re fishing by the French.

The small French boats switched off their tacho- wotsits (that record their catches etc) so couldn't produce the evidence needed to the Jersey government to fish.

Because they’d been norty!

Short term gain and all that.
Now they’ve come unstuck!

Sod lack of turkeys & the (silly) proposal by a French Minister to cut off electricity supplies ... I’d happily eat FISH on Christmas Day instead by bluddy candlelight.

Lucca

Lincslass

Let’s face it after stealing our AZ supplies, 5 million of them, after denigrating it to the whole world, France is in no moral place to blackmail a country. Who says we are in breach, oh yes France
theusposts.com/stop-moaning-france-has-more-uk-fishing-licences-than-rest-of-eu27-combined-report/

Why has France been brought into a discussion about Johnson and the others at the conference? I’m confused

Don’t be Lucca.
It’s turned into a Brexit-bash!

lemongrove

Unsure who you are ‘aiming’ at Kali but I have always said there would be difficulties in the first few years.You cannot undo 40 odd years worth of being in the EU bloc without teething problems.We will come through it, but yes it will take time.
‘Perfid Albion’ as you term it, will do just fine in the long run.

This seems more than "difficulties".

No one voted for what is being forced on us. This was not what was in the Conservative manifesto. Nowhere, between the jokes at election time, did this appear.

The heading on a pro-Conservative "summary of the day" email I receive was Can BoJokes get us through winter? Can he lemongrove? You seem to think you know all about it. Do share.

Johnson is now abandoning all the previous Conservative governments, denying that there was anything good in them; I would probably agree with him but do all the Conservative voters? There was a small aside for Thatcher's destructive government - what an example! Interest rates of 17% for a start. Is that what is now Conservatism?

You don't get it do you? Difficulties after Covid were to be expected as it was so often badly handled at the cost of the lives of the old, the vulnerable and those caring for all of us.

But we were told that any difficulties with the changes we made to have Brexit were all about political heckling - just project fear. Because of the political choices of this New Conservatism, it seems it's going to be even worse than predicted.

We have certainly seen the sleights and duplicity used against our allies and the treachery used against our democracy. Perfidios Albion is well coined at the moment, sadly.

Kali2

If one side refuses to abide by the Deal they have negotiated, word for word, and signed- then the other side is quite clearly allowed to take steps themselves.

Or trigger Article 16.
I think we just might by Christmas.

Brexit benefits include eating fish on Christmas Day by candlelight.

Yes Scones in the short term, if needs be, rather than know-tow (are we even allowed to say that these days?) to the French. I won’t starve.

Moaning & posturing about fishing (legitimately... erm no) in our British waters! Jog on Macron.

And as for (some) large companies whingeing? It's the job of business to maintain a risk register and develop comprehensive contingency plans, surely? Government is not accountable for their failure to do so.

''Or trigger Article 16.
I think we just might by Christmas.''

and what do you think the consequences of that will be? Goodwill all round and Peace on Earth. Sure!

I think you're getting confused Urmstongran. The tacho-wotsits are what the HGV drivers use. Whole different disaster instigated by the government, but understandable that they are starting to merge in your mind. VMR is what the fishing boats use.

I guess this isn't the first time that a Brexit voter has completely misunderstood a situation and decided to tell others all about it.

You can say know-tow, of course you can, if you like, because it doesn't mean anything

(Europeans Hate Us part 2 - please see above)

Well I think you lost me in all the red mist there Urmstongran. Enjoy your fish and candles though.

I though fish was a Good Friday thing?

I am really confused. Is eating fish patriotic now. It's hard to keep up.

What’s worrying me is how Urmstongran is planning to cook her fish without any power - maybe the candle will do the job?

Fish on Christmas Eve in Italy JaneJudge but that might be a bit too European for some people.

Okay Alegrias ha-ha!

Yes, stupid predictive text turned kow-tow into know-tow! But ‘whatever’ instrumentation the small French boats were fiddling with to hide their nefarious fishing catches it doesn’t alter the fact that they’ve been caught out! The ones refused a licence by the Jersey authorities are unable to produce the evidence they need to show they’ve been fishing in those waters previously.

?

Deedaa

Fish on Christmas Eve in Italy JaneJudge but that might be a bit too European for some people.

sounds fine to me

Ooh look at the pile on! Illustrates the anti-Brexit feeling here on GN in a nutshell.

Cooked fish by BBQ anyone? It’s delicious.
But we all know it won’t be necessary.
Just the silly French Minister sabre rattling!

What a brillieant way to discuss and debate.

Have I ever told you - I despair.