Many of us were dubious about the Oven Ready best ever deal ..

I don’t think Boris is stupid.
His ‘oven ready deal’ was tongue in cheek, to cheer us up who had voted for Brexit (because it was being thwarted in the HoC - I’m looking right at you Hilary Benn - and all those ‘indicative votes’ - remember them and the total mess that Bercow (Remainer) happily presided over.

I think most of us knew it was ‘good enough’ to get Brexit over the line. It was near to not happening for various reasons.

Did I think he was over-egging the pudding? Yes.
Through necessity!

Did I think it would need to get ‘tweaked’ at some stage? Yes.

Boris & Cummings & Frost all knew it too.

Kali2, if you're talking to me, I have no idea.

I'm not privy to his thoughts.

And why do I want it both ways? What do I want both ways?

So,, what do you believe. Do you believe Johnson told the truth about no checks between UK and NI? Do you believe he had every intention of abiding by the Deal and the Northern Ireland protocol-

or that he was so so stupid he didn't not even understand the Deal?

You can't have it both ways. So which is it?

Kali2

One always needs proof. One doesn't necessarily need a camera crew either o-0

Many posters who were calling Cummings all sorts have suddenly decided he's to be trusted now he's saying negative things about the Government. That's laughable. You only need to look back and read what was said about Cummings before he abandoned ship by posters opposed to this government.

And WW, it IS hearsay.

If this was said why did he keep quiet? So Paisley basically lied by not informing the public and the EU that the agreement would be torn up. Not the sign of a man one could trust.

GillT57

I don't know what depresses me more about this, the fact that our PM lied, or the fact that so many people just don't care. Saying that all politicians lie is not only untrue, it is a desperate measure to justify the dreadful behaviour of Johnson.

Everyone lies, GillT57

Politicians have been called liars for decades.

Many a quote about it.

Kali2

I think it is a lot worse than 'not caring' - they actually approve, and will back him up, whatever he does or say.

Proof? Do you really think he would have said this on camera, recorded? Really?!?

Do you truly and sincerely believe, now, that he intended to full implement the Deal he negotiated and signed- including the Protocol- and that he somehow, by chance, did not quite understand it. Really?

Good post

FGS!

I think it is a lot worse than 'not caring' - they actually approve, and will back him up, whatever he does or say.

Proof? Do you really think he would have said this on camera, recorded? Really?!?

Do you truly and sincerely believe, now, that he intended to full implement the Deal he negotiated and signed- including the Protocol- and that he somehow, by chance, did not quite understand it. Really?

I don't know what depresses me more about this, the fact that our PM lied, or the fact that so many people just don't care. Saying that all politicians lie is not only untrue, it is a desperate measure to justify the dreadful behaviour of Johnson.

Katie59

Wether he did tell Paisley to calm him down is irrelevant because after the 2019 election he didn’t need his support anyway
It was obvious because of the way negotiations were handled that he intended to renege on the agreement, the EU knew that any “good faith” was long gone and only cast iron legal obligations were made.

Re-writing history there I see.

It was not obvious that Johnson intended to act in bad faith. If that had been so, why would the EU been willing to sign?

Wether he did tell Paisley to calm him down is irrelevant because after the 2019 election he didn’t need his support anyway
It was obvious because of the way negotiations were handled that he intended to renege on the agreement, the EU knew that any “good faith” was long gone and only cast iron legal obligations were made.

This has only excited those who despise Boris and the government.

Well, of course it's not going to excite the people who voted for him on the strength of his lies, is it? Just the rather larger majority of people who didn't vote for him...

I wonder how many of his supporters teach their children and grandchildren that telling lies is absolutely fine if it gets you what you want?

Zoejory

Why wouldn't Paisley lie?

I doubt he's a fan of Boris Johnson

Yes, Boris lies. I'm not denying it. And I guess many politicians have lied. Along with most of humanity over the years.

However, I have no time for hearsay. It's pointless. Boris will just say he didn't say that. So who do we believe? If you dislike Boris and Co., you believe Paisley. And that's fine. You can feel that are right.

But that's simplistic and in other cases, dangerous.

This has only excited those who despise Boris and the government.

It isn’t hearsay ( banging head against a brick wall).

It is a witnesses statement, to the fraud and lies.

2 so far. There will be more

Why wouldn't Paisley lie?

I doubt he's a fan of Boris Johnson

Yes, Boris lies. I'm not denying it. And I guess many politicians have lied. Along with most of humanity over the years.

However, I have no time for hearsay. It's pointless. Boris will just say he didn't say that. So who do we believe? If you dislike Boris and Co., you believe Paisley. And that's fine. You can feel that are right.

But that's simplistic and in other cases, dangerous.

This has only excited those who despise Boris and the government.

It's a clip from Newsnight, so broadcast on national TV, last night I believe.

Why would Paisley lie about what he was told? (Or is it just he was talking to Johnson and lying is highly infectious?)

A longer version of it here:

twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1448403418477912065

We now have two witnesses to Johnson’s intention and I suspect others will crawl out of the woodwork.

As I have said and repeat.

Johnson is a liar and a fraud.

At present NI has superior trading conditions to the rest of the U.K. Conditions that businesses in NI recognise and appreciate. Johnson is intent on stripping them of that.

If there is clear evidence that he said those words then show them?
I don’t think many of us are impressed with youtube and hearsay.

As I've said on the other thread you have absolutely no idea if this was said.

There is no recording.

Because you aren't a fan of Boris or Brexit you blindly believe anything that fits your agenda.

I'm no fan of Boris or Brexit either.

But I'm not into hearsay

Remember this interview:

fb.watch/8DI5hXXQvv/