Brexit finally being recognised as one of the causes of the crises

graycat
An awful lot of those billionaires didn’t even have to bother going off shore to hide their billions. They were hiding it in the centre of Europe.
www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show

HannahLoisLuke

I’m old enough to remember life before we joined the blasted EU or EEC as it was then.
As I remember, life was pretty good. Most things we bought had Made in England stamped on them, Harold MacMillan told us we’d never had it so good, jobs were plentiful, we didn’t turn our noses up at what was on offer and people seemed happy on the whole.
Then came the 70s, we joined the EEC, we had the winter of discontent, who was in power then? Don’t need to remind anyone.
Enough said.

Good grief …!

I think the racism that was a direct result of brexit sent many of them home….

Enough said.

I'm not sure that you have said enough, HannahLoisLuke

For a start, I'd be fascinated to hear how the Winter of Discontent was caused by our EC membership.

Why have so many Europeans left UK. Obviously better jobs, living standards elsewhere. I'm at a loss to figure why they came to UK in the first place as if employed they were surely allowed to continue, appropriate residency forms completed. Seasonal workers can still come to UK, why did they not bother this year? Am I taking a simplistic and totally inaccurate view?

(for HannahLoisLuke)

I'm getting really tired of typing "Good grief"

But I'll persevere.

Good grief! Is this satire?

My DD works in the import and export department of a large company. They import parts from all over theworld and then make torque tools and send them out to countries all over the world. DD told me that before Brexit, to send a large consignment to an EU country took half an hour and now it can take up to 3 days because of all the red tape. She has had to go on endless courses to be updated on all the legislation and says it is an absolute nightmare and that is only one company. People who say that Brexit hasn't changed anything obviously don't really know what is going on and the difficulties that people are having to face to keep goods flowing.

I’m old enough to remember life before we joined the blasted EU or EEC as it was then.
As I remember, life was pretty good. Most things we bought had Made in England stamped on them, Harold MacMillan told us we’d never had it so good, jobs were plentiful, we didn’t turn our noses up at what was on offer and people seemed happy on the whole.
Then came the 70s, we joined the EEC, we had the winter of discontent, who was in power then? Don’t need to remind anyone.
Enough said.

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975

Ps...just to try and level off, we don’t know anyone who voted to remain. We would say we have working class roots, but have led a middle class lifestyle, so know all sorts of people from those backgrounds, including all the people we’ve met through church over the last 25 years.

No one voted to remain.

How sad.

... and how insular and incredible, truly.

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Ahh... so it’s very personal for you, and I get it. Sorry to hear that. My husband was affected as well. He was working on European research projects ( semi retired).

However, it’s about the greater good...eventually, for everyone. Much like the vaccine. Some people will have been affected by it. Very ill in some cases. The majority will be advantaged, which is what we want isn’t it?

We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures, but I do appreciate why you’re angry.

Surely the greater good would have been to have remained in the EU, especially for the young people who have been used to freedom of movement for work and study.

DiscoDancer1975

Ps...just to try and level off, we don’t know anyone who voted to remain. We would say we have working class roots, but have led a middle class lifestyle, so know all sorts of people from those backgrounds, including all the people we’ve met through church over the last 25 years.

No one voted to remain.

How sad.

I agree graycat

One of the most damning features of the Vote Leave governments' response is the failure of the "Russia report" to investigate Kremlin interference in the Brexit vote.

Russia used hundreds of fake accounts to tweet about Brexit,

Researchers find that accounts run from a St Petersburg troll farm tried to sow discord between Britons over the referendum

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/14/how-400-russia-run-fake-accounts-posted-bogus-brexit-tweets

I think it is incumbent upon thinking, patriotic people to question the reasons the UK gave up an enviably preferential and influential position in the EU for some abstract concept of sovereignty. In an age of climate crisis, why swap your nearest trading partners for distant uncertain deals. My common sense tells me it comes down to money and power. Who would benefit from such an obviously damaging step? The billionaire Tory donors and media tycoons who hide their wealth in offshore accounts and certainly don't want the Eu chasing them down for taxes. Those Russian Tory donors with close links to Putin who would love nothing better than the weakening of Europe.
There was never any reasonable justification for Brexit. It was orchestrated and driven by a fanatical few who used the fascist playback to scare ordinary people who only read headlines.
There are many scary reasons to interrogate that Brexit decision.

I did a lot of vote remain and then people’s vote campaigning and it was very much cross party. The people most angry with the government were actually Conservative Party members, some of whom said the party had been ‘taken over by a load of second rate journalists’. They said brexit would be disastrous for the country and they were right. Look at the decent Conservatives that have since left the party.

Discodancer75

''We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures''

YES, YES AND MORE YES - Brexit is destroying their opportunities, their chances, their country, their futures. Brexit is a catastrophy for them - and they do NOT want it. So I am thinking of them day in, day out.

My other half voted leave purely on the immigration issues ?‍♀️ He regrets it now as he admits he was sucked in by Farage who, in turn, bullied the ineffectual Cameron to hold a referendum !
I honestly do not recall a less organised government than this one ! 11 years in power and we are in the biggest crisis ever while BJ sunbathes!
As I have said before, none of this is in my name !

Voting patterns have shifted. The Tory party has transformed itself into Brexit/UKIP parties so isn’t the same party any longer. Professional people more likely to vote Labour/ LD and lower income / working class more likely to vote Tory than in the past. Will be interesting to see if this pattern is maintained.

Talking of Banking, it was that and the probable losing of Scotland made me vote to Remain.
I feel progressively pessimistic about Brexit. I can't see how it will work. We are already bringing in foreign labour and you will never stop illegal immigration. This Country is too fond of waving the flag and thinking themselves above all others; wonderfully epitomised by our dishevelled charlaton of a PM>

Not everyone who voted to remain is a Labour voter, rabid or otherwise, many Tories also had the good sense to vote to remain, and many decent Tory MPs were hounded out of office because they went against the Johnson diktat, and there are Labour MPs like Kate Hoey who was a very vociferous Brexit supporter.

City of London was the centre for Euro derivatives financial services which earned billions ( yes billions) for the U.K. economy. This is now steadily draining away to Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris. Along with hundreds of jobs and related service jobs. DIRECTLY due to Brexit - how can that be a benefit to anyone? Apart from the EU obviously.

HolySox

Have read a lot of vitriole towards the current government on this forum... cronyism, elitism, running the show for themselves. But the British people voted for Brexit and this government stepped up to the plate and got the job done. Democracy in action!
Forgive me but I get the impression most 'remain' posters here are also anti government as they vote Labour. But Labour didn't want to do the will of the British people and were surprised they lost by a landslide. They are either idiots or fanatics. If fanatical they would likely have followed their own whims, looked after their mates (used to be unions) and probably made just a big a hash of things.
Would be nice to see a party that offers a viable alternative for the British voter...

Remain voter here. Not a Labour voter.
My sister and husband voted remain. Staunch tories.

“*this government stepped up to the plate and got the job done. Democracy in action!*. Clichés in action more like.

Yes, let's ask that vegansrock, its a good question!

Instead of us telling everyone how we have been negatively affected by Brexit, can anyone tell us how Brexit has been good for them? No anecdotes please. And no "it will be better in the future" either.

And prepare to be fact checked

Anyone benefitted from Brexit ? That’s the rub..

We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures, but I do appreciate why you’re angry.

LOTS of young people are angry. Those who worked in Europe periodically. I know a few.

Mostly, the young DIDN'T want Brexit, so why paint it as something done for them?