Insulate Britain

Yes absolutely, I do too Scones

Along with the implication that unless you are a saint and have no carbon footprint whatsoever you aren't entitled to have a view on Climate Change.

Does anyone else find the hateful language and mentions of violence - gluing people to walls, turning hoses on them, laughing at ink being thrown in faces - on this thread appalling, or is it just me?

I had a laugh yesterday when it was reported their demonstrators had been arrested after walking along the hard shoulder. One of their spokespersons said they weren't going to block the actual road any more after getting 'feedback' from the public. I presumed that the feedback was the angry drivers getting physical with them and quite right too!

I don't agree that anyone's saying "shut up and go away". Exercise your right to free speech and to demonstrate but don't impede the rights of others to travel for whatever reason.

Blocking roads IMO isn't legitimate protest and rather than encouraging others to join and support them, their actions are pushing people away.

Are those who say “why don’t they go and protest in China” really thinking that argument through? How would a British protest group get to China? Who would fund that trip? Where would they stay? What about the language differences? Of course they aren’t going to “go to China “ it’s the most ridiculous statement. We have got to clean up our own act first - what you are really saying is “shut up and go away”. Which is fine, except they aren’t going to do that - we must all take environmental issues seriously and if it takes committed and legitimate protest to make us all sit up and take notice then that’s what will happen. We are definitely collectively dragging our feet while the environment degrades.

M0nica

I am sure you are all like me impressed by the commitment of our rentamob ecowarriors to their cause today.

They have called today's protest off - because it is raining!

Compare them with other truly committed protestors. CND and the Greenham Women. The members of these groups suffered through hardships of rain and cold weather and far more and unpleasant opposition than this little group of wimps.

They won the respect of people like me, who did not agree with them - and many others, which is more than this lot are doing.

Just to add to this, can I ask why these cowardly moronic idiots don’t go and protest in massive polluting countries like China. Oh I wonder if this is because they would not be treated so kindly if they did. The water cannons would be the least of their worries I would imagine. The best thing I saw was members of the public dragging them off the roads and dumping the protesters on the roadside.

M0nica

ER and Insulate whatever, are such Johnny-come-latelys, jumping on a band wagon, when it is already been running for years, that I find it difficult to believe that they were ever anything other than professional protestors looking for a cause.

The building regulations have been regularly increasing the levels of insulation required in new build properties for decades. We have just had a single storey extension built and it has been a real education seeing just how much insulation has been packed into it.

I absolutely agree that more can be done, but why has it taken this lot so long to realise this? Long after all the rest of us have realised that insulating our houses is a basic requirement to reduce emissions. This lot have suddenly realised it. Really?

If they were really serious about their cause they would be producing papers showing how their aims can be met in the time scale they propose. They would be working constructively with other climate change groups, campaigning so it works. How home insulation can be financed and so on and so on. They could set up groups who raise money and then insulate the houses of those who cannot afford to. When the Trussell Trust saw people with out food. They set up Food Banks, they didn't go and sit on a motorway.

As it is, they are just a rentamob, everything they do is counter productive for their cause; blocking motorways increases emissions from the vehicles held up, and what has that got to do with insulation? As soon as some other cause becomes fashionable, they will all rush off like lemmings to support rewilding motorways or saving rats or whatever the new cause de jour might be.

Totally agree!!!!

rafichagran.... they have done untold damage to their cause

proof on this thread alone.

I find most people are aware and will always do what they can to try to address the environmental or climate concerns.

So to alienate those people is counter productive.

I really find these protesters tiresome , I would like to see Isulation of all properties , but not the way this group are going about it.

I drive on the M25 and if they get in front of my car of course I will stop. I will however join in if anyone needs dragging off the motorway. These people are arrogant, selfish fools, and I dont want their skewed way of protesting interfering with my day.
These idiots have done untold damage to their cause and people are not listening to then, they are just watching what they are doing in disgust, well most people are anyway.

BTW nahsma are you using the Daily Express to trash the argument, just because you disagree?
I clearly gave you the answer you pestered for, but you clearly weren't satisfied.
Apologies to DE readers.
I think we should all be forced to read publications from all walks of the political spectrum.
That way we can educate ourselves.

It would be best not to put words into my mouth, or anyone else's nahsna

For the record, wouldn't you agree that consumption of petrol/diesel/oil, and over use of car journeys, have been on the agenda and in the public domain for well over 20 years now?
If this person is committed to his cause he should have been aware (as many others are), of the risk to the planet his travels were.
That is without his lack of home insulation.
Plus, does he not understand that just as you and I are doing, charting his jolly travels on face book is contributing to the *8th* most energy *inefficient* commodity (internet, phones, laptops etc.) in the world!

Roger Hallam, Insulate Britain's home produces four times the amount of CO2 of an average house.

How about mistakenly not insulating ones own home before waxing lyrical about the desperate need for insulation?

Namsnanny or the Daily Express? Whatever, it was some years ago and the young man in question has said that now he understands the implications of his earlier actions, he's “ramped it right down” (his travel, that is). Is it your case that because we once made what turned out be a mistake we're never allowed to try to do good?

Tongue in cheek, I suppose.
Arnt other people so clever?

His name is Cameron Ford, and he is one of the most vociferous protesters.
He documented his trip on social media.

The round trip reportedly would have been over 1,500 miles – which Mr Ford drove in a “lovely little” diesel-powered Citroen van.

When contacted for comment, Mr Ford told the Mail Online that “we’re all hypocrites

Did you MissAdventure?
Phew!?
I may not have made a c?k up then!

4allweknow

Anyone know how much pollution is involved in the production of insulation, solar panels heat pumps, batteries for electric cars, transportation of them all. These are all the "we must haves" according to environmentalists and governments. What about the destruction of seabeds in the collection of lithium for batteties. Wonder if the protesters were all dressed in woollen, natural fibre clothing, travelled by non polluting means, no painted or acrylic nails, no manmade materials for their protest banners. Many countries use dyes if some sort at protests, riots, to later identify the culprits. About time UK did too.

Some very good points

I read that too, somewhere.

Oh sorry if I left you wanting nahsma, I popped away from GN for a while.
My sources were, if I remember correctly BBC radio 4 discussion which mentioned both the tour around Europe in a diesel car, and the lack of insulation plus a few other things I've forgotten about.
I'm sure you have the wherewithal to check the veracity of this, of course please correct me if I misheard.

vegansrock

But some of you are totally fine with making sweeping generalisations about “rentamob” and how they all need a good wash, haven't a job, are all just lemmings who aren’t really committed to the cause etc when that is simply not the case. There are grandparents , vicars, those who take annual leave to protest and have “proper” jobs amongst these protesters. Those who are so willing to sneer at such protesters could maybe suggest other tactics which would draw attention to their cause or maybe you think they should just shut up? The climate emergency and the degradation of the oceans and environment is of major importance which those who are concerned about the future of the planet are right to be drawing attention to such issues.

Are you being paid by the Conservative party in some kind of Machiavellian plot?

This rude and arrogant attitude is precisely why labour are stuck on the outside looking in, instead of being an effective opposition party.

I don't understand why they are protesting I got a government grant to have my house insulated. I think they are just professional protesters who don't have jobs so they are bored

Arrest, prosecute them and make sure they have a criminal record. They will have to tell insurance companies ( will affect their premiums), any future employers, voluntary organisations etc. Try getting into USA or Australia if you have a criminal conviction.

soldiersailor

I'm thinking about making a liberal distribution of stink bombs if they should start protesting near me.

What a good idea....

I've only driven on the M25 once many years ago but I've gathered from news items that it is often quite a slow-moving road, more like a sluggish A road than a motorway. I doubt the IB protesters would walk onto the M6, especially during the autumn, as it approaches Junction 32 going north – the turn off to the M55 to Blackpool hallucinations illuminations.

Or the M74/M8 spaghetti near Glasgow.

Lightweights ?