Is Macron sabre rattling?

Might have helped the men in the small French fishing boats ...

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Alegrias1, Sorry, my mistake I misread your post as 1214. I expect you were referring to Bannockburn 24th June 1314. A mighty well deserved victory for Scotland. No wonder Edward 11 met an unfortunate end!!

An unfortunate end indeed

Calistemon

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Calling him 'Monmouth's most famous son' doesn't make him Welsh. Or does the fact that he was born there confer that honour?

Father was a Lancastrian king - of French descent and his mother was Mary De Bohun. Fine old Welsh name, de Bohun?

My historical knowledge is lamentable but is that “proud Edward” who was sent homewards “tae think again “ ?

Question to Alegrias

Lucca

My historical knowledge is lamentable but is that “proud Edward” who was sent homewards “tae think again “ ?

Aye 'twas.

MaizieD

Calistemon

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Calling him 'Monmouth's most famous son' doesn't make him Welsh. Or does the fact that he was born there confer that honour?

Father was a Lancastrian king - of French descent and his mother was Mary De Bohun. Fine old Welsh name, de Bohun?

Neither Jabberwok nor I have said he was Welsh.

Monmouth is in Wales now but that doesn't make him Welsh.

Yes indeed Monmouth does celebrate Henry Vth as he was born there and was Prince of Wales on the accession of his father Henry 1Vth, but he was not Welsh. His mother was Mary de Bohun, daughter of the 7th Earl of Hereford. In fact he spent a lot of his youth gaining military experience by fighting the forces of Owain Glyndwr.

No wonder Edward 11 met an unfortunate end!!

And that is disputed too - if true it was horrendous!

I thought he was Welsh, but I now know he's not, thanks to those who did know the truth of the matter.

It was the line in Henry V "for I am Welsh, you know". Shakespeare bending the truth again!

The castles on the border were built by the Normans to keep out the marauding Welsh.

Calistemon

MaizieD

Calistemon

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Calling him 'Monmouth's most famous son' doesn't make him Welsh. Or does the fact that he was born there confer that honour?

Father was a Lancastrian king - of French descent and his mother was Mary De Bohun. Fine old Welsh name, de Bohun?

Neither Jabberwok nor I have said he was Welsh.

Monmouth is in Wales now but that doesn't make him Welsh.

As Alegrias has just posted. She asked if Henry V was Welsh. Jabberwok and I both said he wasn't. So what was all that stuff about 'Monmouths most famous son' about then? It 'sounded' like a claim that he was Welsh...

Yes Edward 11nd end in 1327 if correct was truly hideous,,but it is only legend, he could like Richard 11nd have been starved to death, on the other hand there is evidence that he was still alive in 1330. Who knows. I have a suspicion that his end was not pleasant to say the least!

Some threads meander ... abit, a lot ...

some on the other hand ....

So what was all that stuff about 'Monmouths most famous son' about then? It 'sounded' like a claim that he was Welsh

Monmouth might be in Wales now but it wasn't then.

Some threads meander ... abit, a lot ...

And so does Monmouthshire, or at least the English/Welsh border has.
Some insist it's independent.

Monmouth might be in Wales now but it wasn't then.

OK, Calistemon. I take your point.