Rees Mogg and filibustering….

I’m sorry, but I cannot believe how anyone could defend this government by saying the alternative would be no better i.e. Labour. How on earth could any other government be worse than this lying, corrupt and morally destitute bunch?

Totally agree with you Gill. Brilliantly put.

Actually Vito what depresses more than this stinking corrupt Tory government is the apologists who will excuse anything done by the administration they have foisted upon the rest of us. This is beyond party politics, it is about the rule of law, about morality and decency, and I am disgusted that anyone irrespective of their political beliefs can support this. What's next? A pissed MP getting the drink drive laws waived by his peers?

What democracy?

We have only ever been a sham democracy, like Belarus, the only other undemocratic country in Europe which allows a government to be elected by a minority of voters.

I haven't posted on here before,but have been a long time reader .
I cannot understand for the life of me how some people try to defend the indefensible. The man was suspended for breaking the rules, he is utterly immoral,it's the equivalent of being caught for shop lifting and not agreeing with the sentence and then having it redacted because your cronies also don't agree with the sentence,it's madness and yes Kafkaesque. This government has brought this country to its knees, the 32 billion it wasted on test and trace is brushed under the carpet, I mean 32 billion, you couldn't make it up. We have food banks, people going hungry, not letting the poorest in society to keep an extra £20 a week. Tonight I'm sad and depressed, I can't see a way out of this for a long long time our democracy is being destroyed.

This undemocraticly elected government has plumbed new depths. History will judge them to be the pits, the sewers of corruption and lies.

Not just society but the government as well

I haven't followed all the details, but is an MP advocating on behalf of a company that is paying him, a good thing? Surely am MP should be advocating on behalf of his constituents rather than a company.
Did I read somewhere that he's paid £100,000 a year for his advocacy on top of his MP's salary. I call it greed, which is one of the things wrong with society.

Urmstongran

And what is wrong with reading something and then agreeing with the premis of the argument?

Perhaps you'd like to share what you have read with all of us, Ug. Then we can better judge the argument.

And what is wrong with reading something and then agreeing with the premis of the argument?

Paterson has been found guilty by his peers and the only question was whether the 30 day suspension was fair. He dredged new depths when he dragged the tragedy of his wife's suicide into the discussion. I have often, as you may have noticed, been critical of this Tory administration, but today they truly reached the bottom. Sadly,my MP who temporarily redeemed himself by voting against the "let them dump shit in the rivers without prosecution" bill, was the mealy mouthed apologist for Pattison on R4 this morning so I shall have to email him yet again. Any of our Tory supporters like to comment on or support this disgusting behaviour?

Urmstongran

What this really comes down to is not the report, the committee, or the approval. If Patterson had never been born I would still think Stone should not be a standards commissioner.

Why? I bet you hadn't even heard of her before now. It's something you read somewhere.

If MPs truly believed the process is unfair, they had every right to discuss it and change it by following the correct procedures. By introducing the amendment at this time, it is directly linked to Paterson. Rees-Mogg's filibustering was a disgrace and I think anybody who can support it shows the morals of a toad.

Paterson should have served his suspension and then the process should have been reviewed, but not so it was deliberately timed to let him off. He broke the rules - there's no question about it.

What this really comes down to is not the report, the committee, or the approval. If Patterson had never been born I would still think Stone should not be a standards commissioner.

Urmstongran

I do MaizieD. I’ve been out childminding & just got home hence my absence.

I think Paterson may or may not be corrupt but his guilt or innocence should be decided upon by fair and unbiased people. Stone has form when it comes to bias. People seem to be conflating Paterson's possible wrongdoing with Stone's unfitness for her position.

What form? Maybe you could explain rather than repeating something you you've read.

Urmstongran

I do MaizieD. I’ve been out childminding & just got home hence my absence.

I think Paterson may or may not be corrupt but his guilt or innocence should be decided upon by fair and unbiased people. Stone has form when it comes to bias. People seem to be conflating Paterson's possible wrongdoing with Stone's unfitness for her position.

His conduct was investigated by the independent Commission for Parliamentary Standards. How much more 'fair and 'unbiased' do you want?

Perhaps a Court of Law?

MerylStreep

John Bercow has said:
The process leading to the ban was indefensible and wasn’t conducted in accordance with natural justice
And you have experienced a protracted Kafkaesque process
Damning words from someone who knows the workings of parliament inside out.

Can you give us a link, or clarify the context please, MerylStreep?

I do MaizieD. I’ve been out childminding & just got home hence my absence.

I think Paterson may or may not be corrupt but his guilt or innocence should be decided upon by fair and unbiased people. Stone has form when it comes to bias. People seem to be conflating Paterson's possible wrongdoing with Stone's unfitness for her position.

Sorry should have read it first...should read
Another example of one rule for them and another rule for everyone else.
Feeling so cross

Johnson actually said in P.M's questions that "paid advocacy is wrong".
This obviously does not apply to members of the Tory party. Another example, and another rule for everyone else of one rule for them .How can people support this duplicitous,hypocritical excuse for a government?

I didn’t think this lot could sink any lower but this is one thing they are world beating. We are very near becoming a dictator led country, one that changes the rules to keep them in power. Disgusting lot. Would they have done this if it had been any other MP from a different party, I think not

What's "natural justice"?

Have you ever read any Kafka?

Paterson knew the rules and he broke them.

John Bercow has said:
The process leading to the ban was indefensible and wasn’t conducted in accordance with natural justice
And you have experienced a protracted Kafkaesque process
Damning words from someone who knows the workings of parliament inside out.

I thought Johnson was finished when he tried to unlawfully prorogue parliament but look where we are now. He has a huge majority in parliaments, has got rid of the MP’s like Grieve that saw him for what he is and can do pretty much what he likes. On top of that we’ve got the weakest speaker I can ever remember. I keep thinking that there must be some decent people left in government and now and again one of them will emerge from the cesspit but when it happens it’s short lived and they sink back down again. Today one MP was talking about a problem one of his constituents was having and MP’s were just mocking him. I still think it’s time parliament dragged itself into the modern age. MP’s should be able to stay in their seats and vote secretly. All this lining up outside and division bells etc should be consigned to history. Just when I think I can’t be more ashamed of this government something like this happens. And yet people say there is no alternative. They obviously aren’t seeing what I’m seeing.

Urmstongran

Is this about the vote that just got carried by the government by a majority of 18 votes?

Yes it is, Ug. Do you have anything to say about it?