Are we about to trigger Article 16?

I have a feeling that Urmstongran will not reply to above.

So perhaps someone else could do, please.

Surely you don't want us to think that you do not understand?

The ridiculous thing is that the vast majority of businesses and people in NI, are quite happy with the status quo, it is just the ideologues in Johnson’s government who are intent on buggering it up.

Many on here seem to believe that the fault is all on one side...that is seldom the case.

Who said this? No-one, at all.

Have you forgotten to explain what the consequences of triggering Art 16 would be?

My stepfather has only just been taken home after eating with us. I’m not ignoring you Kali2 I just have the pots to wash first!

And into the breach once more dear friends!

Firstly.
Article 16 is actually part of the treaty and is there for a reason.

Second.
invoking Article 16, a perfectly legal process open to both sides, is not the nuclear option ... but due to the intransigence of the EU it’s the only option open to us to safeguard the rights of the British Citizens of Northern Ireland.

Thirdly.
Lord Frost is working well to a careful plan - and the EU know they have lost already. For them it is now about saving face and finding as many ways as possible to damage the UK.

I certainly would argue that the above is not correct...

but this was definitely NOT the question. The question I asked was about the 'consequences' of triggering Art 16.

This morning the Express reported that Britain was considering "withdrawing funding" from the Horizon, Copernicus and Euratom programs if Article 16 is triggered. Suggesting of course, that the EU will be bereft as a result of the withdrawal of our precious funding.

Except it's not true.

If we trigger article 16 we're going to lose access to these invaluable programs, but the scientifically illiterate government say we can have our own versions. Except we can't. Science programs of this size cannot be funded by individual countries and good though our scientists are, everybody's else are good too. Science thrives by the pooling and sharing of knowledge, and this will cut us off from the rest of the world, possibly irrevocably.

Global Britain they say. Lying incompetents.

And finally.
Let’s stop pretending & move to fully restore our United Kingdom without further ado.

We won't be United much longer dearie.

I agree with you there Alegrias.
Let’s buddy up with Switzerland!

With all due respect to the Swiss, their scientific summit came when Einstein was in the patent office.

Urmstongran

I agree with you there Alegrias.
Let’s buddy up with Switzerland!

So that is your serious answer to my question about consequences of triggering Art 16. And you expect me to take you seriously, really?

Kali2 it’s not always about the economy! Ask the Scots Nats!

That is not the answer either, sorry.

What would the REAL consequences be of triggering Art 16?

I don’t know Kali2.
But I have a feeling you’re dying to enlighten me.
??

We just have to accept that we need to make our own way in the world.

But. ... The EU has shown nothing but malice towards the UK ever since the people democratically decided to leave their club.

Time to look forward and not back. Our future is with the world outside the EU, which is bigger and growing faster.

Some are actually not 'about the economy' either, although it would be even more of a disaster to what we have currently, which is bad enough.

But remember, Article 16 not an exit mechanism.
It allows for suspension of certain protocols while talks continue.
In better faith.

Alegrias1

We won't be United much longer dearie.

Hope springs eternal eh??
Although.....I think it may take longer than you wish to happen.

Urmstongran

But remember, Article 16 not an exit mechanism.
It allows for suspension of certain protocols while talks continue.
In better faith.

This is very true and needed pointing out.

lemongrove

Urmstongran

But remember, Article 16 not an exit mechanism.
It allows for suspension of certain protocols while talks continue.
In better faith.

This is very true and needed pointing out.

I hope you're not waiting for Johnson & Co to act in better faith. You'll have a long wait.

It did cross my mind that we're being subjected to a wind up.

Nobody could actually believe all this guff about the EU's intransigence and Frost having a cunning plan?

Even Baldrick wouldn't fall for that.

It did cross my mind that we're being subjected to a wind up.

It's a thought that often occurs to me, Alegrias. I can't see, either, how anyone can believe all that nonsense.