How I wish our PM thought of someone other than himself

Even though she is a bit darker than you, and was born elsewhere.

How can anyone say that on here when some of us may actually be "dark", born elsewhere, (or Jewish, or whatever)?
So racist.

I was not attempting to point score MazieD the post of mine which you have quoted was clearly in response to Alegrias. It was not in response to you.

Nearly all my comments in my 9:18 post were close-to-verbatim quotes from this and the other thread concerning Nazanin.

The comments on these threads contain a number of posts that are of the "oh, well, what can we do about it, its a lost cause" variety. And that lets the government off the hook.

So personally, what can most of us do? Very little. We can sign and share petitions, we can write to our MP. But if we start saying that its a lost cause, we can put it from out minds and blame the Iranians, then stop at that, we are absolving ourselves and the government from taking any action whatsoever.

Kali2

lemongrove ''I think you may be spoiling for a fight Kali ''

no I am NOT.but this case truly upsets me deeply and some of the uncaring sentiments expressed here make me beyond sad, and angry.

She is a British citizen- end of. Even though she is a bit darker than you, and was born elsewhere. And she did not choose to go on a jolly there, but to visit her parents. The disdain shown for dual cititzens here is frequent and clear. Johnson is NOT doing anything, because he does not want to repay the money they clearly owe- and she, her husband and daughter, are just insignificant collateral damage!

It is sickening, and I just can't stand the way this selfish, incompetent and (unprintable...) PM is supported by some here, whatever he does, however despicable and fraudulent even, and whomever gets hurt in his way.

He is just incapable of saying sorry, and many seem incapable of accepting is he a nasty, selfish, incompetent and very dangerous clown.

Kali2 it is not the U.K. Government which does not recognise Mrs.Radcliffe’s duel citizenship it is Iran.

Even though she is a bit darker than you really!!!

That is an extremely racist comment…

How are we ( posters on here) abandoning her?

you can just call me an idealist.

Yes, if being realistic means sighing deeply, shaking our heads sadly, and abandoning that woman and her family, then you just call me an idealist.

Depends in what you mean by ‘we’ I suppose.The government
Has a duty to do all it can for British nationals held in prisons abroad, particularly so for those held on trumped up charges.
You have to be realistic though, especially where Iran is concerned.

But some think that we just need to sit back and not do anything about it because you can't negotiate with terrorists, she should have known better than go in the first place and Iran will just do what they like anyway so what's the point.

Maybee....yet another wrong statement from you.
There isn’t anyone on here that doesn’t know who she is or her back story!
What a few posters including myself didn’t realise at first was exactly who the man was( who was holding the placard in the OP.) It could have been her husband/ family member/ friend
Or somebody close to her cause.
Because we didn’t immediately recognise him from the pic
Doesn’t mean she has been forgotten.
She hasn’t been forgotten by the FO or the wider British public either.
If posters could stop looking for aggression they would realise that other posters are all very sympathetic to her, her family, and other hostages held by the Iranian regime.

Absolutely. Because most of what he does is on a huge incomprehensible scale. But this is an innocent woman, her devoted husband and a child that is missing her mum.

I think of all the appalling things Johnson has done the fate of Nazanin is the most unforgivable. And, as usual, he can't see it.

Urmstongran

Kali2

lemongrove

Kali you are implying that posters are racist with your comment ‘even though she is a bit darker than you’.....now that’s really disgraceful of you.

I stand by my comment that many think she is 'not proper British' and therefore not quite worth fighting for as one of our own.

Nope. Not buying this.
We in the UK live in a multicultural society with more tolerance and acceptance than many other countries.
I’m very proud of this fact.

You also didn’t even know who she was….which means her story isn’t imo being well publicised….

Urmstongran

Kali2

lemongrove

Kali you are implying that posters are racist with your comment ‘even though she is a bit darker than you’.....now that’s really disgraceful of you.

I stand by my comment that many think she is 'not proper British' and therefore not quite worth fighting for as one of our own.

Nope. Not buying this.
We in the UK live in a multicultural society with more tolerance and acceptance than many other countries.
I’m very proud of this fact.

Absolutely, to infer many don’t think her ‘proper British’, is appalling, and totally unjust. I feel for all those British captives in that Iranian hell hole.

Kali2

lemongrove

Kali you are implying that posters are racist with your comment ‘even though she is a bit darker than you’.....now that’s really disgraceful of you.

I stand by my comment that many think she is 'not proper British' and therefore not quite worth fighting for as one of our own.

Nope. Not buying this.
We in the UK live in a multicultural society with more tolerance and acceptance than many other countries.
I’m very proud of this fact.

Might I ask what anyone on here has actually done to help her cause? All I’ve done is post things on Facebook and sign petitions and feel I should do more.

I stand by my comment that many think she is ‘not proper British’ and therefore not quite worth fighting for as one of our own.

That is a disgraceful comment. You have no knowledge of what other people are thinking. How dare you infer racism because you don’t like something another poster said. You can stand by your comment till the cows come home but it doesn’t mean you’re right. You have no idea what many people think. Judging by the comments on here, many people are appalled by Nazanin’s situation, and wholly in support of her and her family, and wish fervently for her to be brought back home as quickly as possible.

Given that some people on gransnet haven’t even heard of Nazanin I can’t help but feel that, if she wasn’t Iranian there would have been a lot more media coverage of her plight. Make of that what you will.

lemongrove

Kali you are implying that posters are racist with your comment ‘even though she is a bit darker than you’.....now that’s really disgraceful of you.

I stand by my comment that many think she is 'not proper British' and therefore not quite worth fighting for as one of our own.

Johnson's disgraceful allegation that Nazanin was in Iran to train journalists was the excuse for the Iranian government to detain her indefinitely. That was one of his worst failures as Foreign Secretary.

It is in Johnson's power as PM to direct payment of the debt which seems now to be the obstacle to her release. It is utterly shameful that he has turned his back on this British family.

grannyactivist

It is possible, indeed quite likely, that he is ‘bothering’ because he loves his wife, because he wants his daughter to have her mother home, because he and his wife are at the centre of an injustice not of their making, because the PM’s gaffe was instrumental in securing a longer prison term for Nazanin, because he hopes to remind the public that his wife is still facing untold years in prison, because public opinion may yet influence government to take further action to secure Nazanin’s release. And in his shoes I think I’d be inclined to do something similar because to do nothing would not be an option I would consider.

Exactly so.

I’m surprised that a number of posters didn’t realise who tha man in white wave’ s OP is.
The pandemic has had a negative effect, minimised the amount of tv/radio/print media I engage with these days. Despite this, I’ve been aware of Mr Radcliffe’s hunger strike. He’s a brave man, seems to be a loving husband and father
Mr Johnson’s comments did nothing to help, just the opposite. He should be ashamed and being seen to do all he can to help

lemongrove

Actually I think a few posters are spoiling for a fight....getting far too confrontational.
Which is silly...we all wish that Nazarine and other UK national would be released and all have great sympathy for their cases.
It’s the regime in Iran that needs the verbal flak on here, not anybody else.

Quite!

kali2 I agree with what you say about Johnson except for 'clown'.
He is a cunning schemer pretending to be a clown.

lemongrove

Actually I think a few posters are spoiling for a fight....getting far too confrontational.
Which is silly...we all wish that Nazarine and other UK national would be released and all have great sympathy for their cases.
It’s the regime in Iran that needs the verbal flak on here, not anybody else.

Can you explain to me why the Iran regime is condemned and the Saudi regime is feted lemongrove? Because there is very little to choose between them as far as human rights go and the Saudis have probably financed more terrorism.

Not to excuse Johnson but I think the Iranians were looking for any excuse. A poor little girl has been deprived of her mother and goodness know how Nazanin is coping. They build her hopes up and then cruelly dash them to the ground. Let us on GN unite and sign the petition rather than in fighting.