Brexit is dead, it is no more, it has ceased to be - because it has happened. We have withdrawn from the European Union

Urmstongran

^if people in this country do end up starving because of them.^
Hyperbolic nonsense PippaZ.

Hey lemongrove it’s your turn to be rounded upon. It was me last night.
And tomorrow I expect.
?

Oh stop this nonsense.

You keep talking about wonderful Brexit, and yet you have refused, again, and again, for months and more to provide any information whatsoever about what good things Brexit has given so far to the country and people.

Thank you MOnica for your sensible response. Some on here aren’t satisfied until they whip up a sense of panic and doom.

PippaZ didn't say "all" the people in this country starving though, did she? It seems some are trying to say that to dismiss what she had to say.

M0nica

The claim made suggested that the country as a whole would be starving. Scenes like Afghanistan.

I do not diminish the problems of those on limited incomes in these inflationary times. The Trussell Trust and other food banks have beenn highlighting the problem for several years now, but people in this country starving, I am sorry that is ridiculous.

Oh well! That's OK then! It's just the poorest who won't be able to eat nutritious food. I mean! Who cares about them?

Urmstongran

Thank you MOnica for your sensible response. Some on here aren’t satisfied until they whip up a sense of panic and doom.

Tell that to somebody who's seen their grocery bill mean they have to cut back on heating or risk getting into debt.

Urmstongran

Thank you MOnica for your sensible response. Some on here aren’t satisfied until they whip up a sense of panic and doom.

I dare say the people without enough food to eat are feeling quite doom-y enough without anybody having to whip up anything.

I try to ignore the amateur psychology from those who think they know why people write what they do.

This story is from 2018. I doubt if much has changed since then.

More than 8 million people in Britain live in households that struggle to put enough food on the table, with over half regularly going a whole day without eating, according to estimates of hunger in the UK.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/06/more-than-8-million-in-uk-struggle-to-put-food-on-table-survey-says

I agree, Monica. It's ridiculous, isn't it?

And yet those on here are the ones banging on about overseas aid ... to countries who run a Space Programme. Make your minds up ladies.

Urmstongran

And yet those on here are the ones banging on about overseas aid ... to countries who run a Space Programme. Make your minds up ladies.

What on earth are you talking about?

This is so bizarre that I don't even know where to start.

M0nica

Totally agree, Urmstongran wild claims about people starving, presumably because there are no packets of crisps on the supermarket shelves or only one brand of baked beans on the shelf, diminish the credibility of those who make them.

What a disgusting suggestion M0nica. Those who may starve if we have the sort of none agreement that the flag-waving has been for on here are already trying to live as a family, according to the boss of Iceland on the news the other day, working to a weekly budget of £25 for their families food.

Those putting us in a position where the basics rise in price for these people are those who don't care to acquire knowledge about anything other than their now infamous "opinion".

I voted to leave and although it won ..it was ignored ..so don't be voting for any of them again..

Lynderella2

I voted to leave and although it won ..it was ignored ..so don't be voting for any of them again..

Have we not left then? Have I imagined it all, like a bad dream?

Let joy be unconfined!!

Of course price rises, food shortages, sewage pollution in the sea and rivers, shortage of health and care workers, chefs and hospitality workers, warehouse, abattoir workers, vets, fruit and veg pickers have nothing to do with Brexit ?

The main question to those who say Brexit is “done”- If 'Brexit is done' why are Brexit negotiations still ongoing? Surely if Brexit negotiations remain ongoing, Brexit is not "done."

PippaZ, Maizie, the usual ploy, ignore anything I said that. that spoils your argumenrt.

If you read my most recent post I specifically said: The claim made suggested that the country as a whole would be starving. Scenes like Afghanistan.

I do not diminish the problems of those on limited incomes in these inflationary times. The Trussell Trust and other food banks have beenn highlighting the problem for several years now, but people in this country starving, I am sorry that is ridiculous.

I should have put quotes around 'people in this country' starving'.

There are already people in this country starving, but the whole nation starvin? No that is alarmist. Perhaps more precision in your posts?

From Pippa's actual post

if people in this country do end up starving..

You're overreacting, MOnica. She said nothing about the whole population starving, which is the way you are interpreting it. Precision can work both ways; in writing a post and in interpreting a post.

MOnica It's you who has tried to destroy an argument. If Pippa has used the word "some" you would not have had a case. This is a social media group, not a place for writing legal arguments, where every single word matters.

If you think that Brexit hasn't made life harder for some people, maybe you could argue your case. As it is, I'm sorry to say that you just sound smug.

vegansrock

The main question to those who say Brexit is “done”- If 'Brexit is done' why are Brexit negotiations still ongoing? Surely if Brexit negotiations remain ongoing, Brexit is not "done."

There is a LOT of negotiation going on not just NI
Because what the UK wants is not what fits in with EU rules, in many areas conditional agreements are being made - conditional on us not changing the standards.

The doom laden predictions continue apace on the forum
Monica but fortunately only by the few ( even if there are many posts.)
‘Struggling to put food on the table’ seems to be a buzz phrase now, along with ‘hardworking families’ ......as if lack of cash is something new.
Rising gas prices along with economies shattered by Covid in every country will make food prices rise, but the UK will not starve.
Most of us on here have lived long lives and can remember far worse periods than this ( rising prices.)

but the UK will not starve.

Well some of the disadvantaged people will. But I'm all right Jack

I can remember the Winter of Discontent in the seventies, I can remember power cuts, I can remember my great granny making huge pots of soup for the whole family to share. We survived, but I'd rather not have to do that again, thank you.

Strangely, I don't even remember being affected by the Winter of Discontent. I was a student at the time, so maybe I was used to "making do". As I wasn't affected, does that mean it didn't happen and I was an "I'm alright Jill"?

Alegrias1

^but the UK will not starve.^

Well some of the disadvantaged people will. But I'm all right Jack

I can remember the Winter of Discontent in the seventies, I can remember power cuts, I can remember my great granny making huge pots of soup for the whole family to share. We survived, but I'd rather not have to do that again, thank you.

Most people won't starve because eating to survive is such a high priority. What will happen is that they pay more for food, so have less for all their other commitments, such as accommodation, heating, fuel, etc.

lemongrove

The doom laden predictions continue apace on the forum
Monica but fortunately only by the few ( even if there are many posts.)
‘Struggling to put food on the table’ seems to be a buzz phrase now, along with ‘hardworking families’ ......as if lack of cash is something new.
Rising gas prices along with economies shattered by Covid in every country will make food prices rise, but the UK will not starve.
Most of us on here have lived long lives and can remember far worse periods than this ( rising prices.)

I can't.