100,000 NHS staff unvaccinated

Calmlocket

On breakfast tv they were interviewing a care worker, she said
"whats the point in the vaccine when you can still catch and spread covid, some of the elderly in care homes have refused the jab and unvacinated visitors can still visit care homes. she was also concerned about long term effects of the covid years down the line.

If the vaccine works why are the vaccinated still catching, spreading, dying of covid?

because it massively massively reduces the chances of any of those things! No vaccine is 100% effective.

Kali2 good post.

Freedom comes at a price, and in the case of NHS/Care workers whether they work in hospitals, homes or in the community that price is have the vaccine or get moved to a back room position whereby they do not come into contact with vulnerable folks.

Galaxy

They hold a different opinion to you that's what's 'wrong' with them.

Not sure about that. A difference of opinion is fine when discussing politics and what newspaper we read. But this is different. It's literally life and death.

Galaxy

They hold a different opinion to you that's what's 'wrong' with them.

It is not as simple as that. Freedom- whose freedom. It always has to be balanced with the effect on others.

There is on the one hand, the choice of care workers or health workers, on a personal level, not to be vaccinated

and on the other hand, the freedom of the elderly, in care homes or in need of care at home, the weak and fragile, for any reasons, including those who are immuno-supressed- of all ages, having cancer treatment or in remission, and many more- who should be able to choose if they are cared for, or treated, by those who are vaccinated and less likely to infect or re-infect them, or those who are not and ...

Why should the choice of some, put some at greater risks the others- especially the ... long list above and more. And society at large too, for whom this crisis is lasting much longer than it should due to low levels of vaccination in some areas.

I have many friends who are not vaccinated, and I choose to be tolerant of their views, and still meet up with them socially. Most of them take responsibility for their decision and do everything to avoid putting anyone at risk. Fair enough.

But if you are a carer or healthworker, doctor, nurse, etc- then it is a different situation. Their cares, patients have NO choice in who treats them, and are not even allowed to ask. And they have no choice to avoid the situation, being in contact with the above - for obvious reasons. Where is THEIR freedom?

The weight should be in favour of the weak and fragile- always.

I can see both sides of this, although I would like to see all front line health care workers vaccinated for the reasons Kali2 listed. I foresee lots of protests against this, this is a nice thing for the anti vaxxers and conspiracy theorists to get their teeth into.

They hold a different opinion to you that's what's 'wrong' with them.

Am I right in assuming that the 100000 is just England Trusts?
There are approx 223 Trusts in England, which then becomes <450 unvaccinated staff, per Trust that's not a bad %.
Still think more will come forward with No jab, No job! this is the most sensible decision should have been done months ago.

I should have said that the details I mentioned are for England only.
Interestingly when I had my booster last week, the pharmacist was telling me about a woman in her twenties who had previously refused the vaccine as she was certain her immune system would protect her.
Then her mother, also unvaccinated caught it and was seriously ill in hospital, hence the change of opinion of the daughter.

There will always be people who just don't like being told what to do. They'll make up their own minds - yet seem unwilling to establish the known facts and reach a logical decision.

The vaccine levels of take up correlate highly with levels of education, unsurprisingly. I really think that those who are unwilling to have the vaccine should find other employment - as they're obviously unsuitable for working in the NHS.

Kali2

The point, calmlocket, is that the vaccinated are much less likely to catch it, much less likely to spread it, and much much less likely to have a severe infection, and much much less likely to be hospitalised. Seems worth it, no?

Indeed.

And much less likely to die as well.

These people make me so angry and are stopping us ever reaching a level of herd immunity. I just can't understand why anyone would refuse this vaccine which has given us most of our freedoms back.

The point, calmlocket, is that the vaccinated are much less likely to catch it, much less likely to spread it, and much much less likely to have a severe infection, and much much less likely to be hospitalised. Seems worth it, no?

Not just in the UK- all over Europe too, and the world.

Carers aside, healthcare workers aren't required to be vaccinated.
They should have interviewed the person responsible for making that decision.

On breakfast tv they were interviewing a care worker, she said
"whats the point in the vaccine when you can still catch and spread covid, some of the elderly in care homes have refused the jab and unvacinated visitors can still visit care homes. she was also concerned about long term effects of the covid years down the line.

If the vaccine works why are the vaccinated still catching, spreading, dying of covid?