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What is the answer here?

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Sarnia Sat 13-Nov-21 14:38:58

It has been announced that migrant figures are through the roof and 3 times what they were last year. Looking at the size of the UK, I can't see how we can continue like this. It is bringing our infrastructure to its knees. Border Force hasn't been fit for purpose for a long time and a robust immigration policy is decades overdue. The silence from the Home Secretary is deafening. So what is the answer here? No nastiness please just sensible, workable solutions.

Alegrias1 Sat 20-Nov-21 14:44:49

Or alternatively "Middle ranking retired civil servant blames everyone else for his department being bad at their job"

Chestnut Sat 20-Nov-21 15:27:56

He is hardly 'middle ranking' and is not blaming anyone. He is just explaining why so many people want to come here, because we are seen as a soft touch. He speaks with the voice of experience. There will be an endless stream of boat crossings and lives risked until an answer can be found.

Alegrias1 Sat 20-Nov-21 15:40:42

He's not the chief of immigration for the Border Force,

He's a Chief Immigration Officer, which is a rank, I believe.

Unless he's been promoted in his retirement since he appeared on GB News earlier this year having a cosy chat with one Mr Farage. When he was referred to by the Daily Mail as a retired Border Force agent.

I'm sure he's very experienced at processing migrants; developing a fair UK migration strategy and commenting on international relations from an unbiased position; not so much.

MaizieD Sat 20-Nov-21 15:59:44

I think this might be pertinent here:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/20/home-office-covering-up-its-own-study-of-why-refugees-come-to-the-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Home Office minister Chris Philp has claimed that accepting asylum seekers who have travelled through Europe “creates a pull factor where migrants are incentivised to undertake dangerous and illegal journeys”.

Yet when the Home Office was asked for evidence to support its claims, it refused. A freedom of information response dated 28 October says the material could not be disclosed because it was “likely to inhibit the free and frank provision of advice and the free and frank exchange of views for the purposes of deliberation”.

Previous Home Office research into asylum seekers’ decision-making appears to undermine the pull factor argument for harsher policies. It says: “They [asylum seekers] are guided more by agents, the presence or absence of family and friends, language, and perceived cultural affinities than by scrutiny of asylum policies or rational evaluation of the welfare benefits on offer.”

It follows a report last week that highlighted misleading statements on asylum seekers by the home secretary, Priti Patel.

Analysis, partly based on Home Office data, shows that nearly two-thirds of people who cross the Channel in small boats are judged to be genuine refugees and allowed to remain – contradicting claims by Patel that 70% of small boats arrivals “are not genuine asylum seekers”.

Aspen Sat 20-Nov-21 16:13:23

Even if they did arrive with all their documents we couldn't send many of them back to a countries Britain and American have bombed to hell.

Allsorts Sun 21-Nov-21 07:35:34

We are not bombing countries into hell Aspen, their own people are doing that. We support people who are being driven out and bombed and intimidated by their own people. Please get your facts straight.
Because we want people to stay with their own families and in their own culture doesn’t mean we have to have all those that can’t come here, their own country is where they should live and thrive, not here.

Allsorts Sun 21-Nov-21 07:41:14

We went into Irag, big mistake, but the man that sent us in been knighted, because we saw innocent people being hung from cranes, tortured and treated like animals, this is hard for us to witness. Unfortunately, we can’t change these countries, we can’t change the world, but the answer isn’t to bring all the people out of them, there are too many, if a country isn’t safe for those that get out, what is it like for those left behind do you think.. Years ago we wouldn’t know what was going on now it’s instant.

Lincslass Sun 21-Nov-21 08:05:39

Aspen

Even if they did arrive with all their documents we couldn't send many of them back to a countries Britain and American have bombed to hell.

Include Germany, France etc please.

MaizieD Mon 22-Nov-21 12:19:07

Interesting article from the BBC News site

"The UK migrant dilemma - it's all about Brexit"

...given that the latest official figures suggest the UK currently has negative net migration - more people leaving than arriving - it is unlikely to be about numbers, especially for a country with more than a million job vacancies for the first time in its history.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59369179

Hmmm

varian Mon 22-Nov-21 19:33:48

You will never read this in the Torygraph or the Daily Wail or the Sun or the Express, but here are the facts about brexit and emigration.

Since the fraudulent referendum of 2016, many EU citizens have left the UK, but also many highly skilled British citizens have left to work in the EU. That is the Brexit Brain Drain.

Alegrias1 Mon 22-Nov-21 22:57:45

On Newsnight they've just said that the overall number of asylum seekers had stayed much the same, it's just that fewer are coming by "traditional" routes which have been limited by the pandemic. It's just that the people coming now are more visible.

Emily Maitlis just told a government spokesman that they are running out of other people to blame. ?

varian Wed 24-Nov-21 19:53:19

Emily Maitlis would be a good replacement for Andrew Marr but I don't think she is Tory enough or Brexity enough for the
Brexit Broadcasting Corporation.