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Pensioner poverty

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Nov-21 08:57:21

The following figures are from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

In 1996 at the end of years of Tory government, 41% of single woman pensioners were classed as being in poverty.

Within 10 years and as a result of Labour government policy this had dropped to just 18%.

The Tory party introduced austerity - as a political policy- in 2010 and in the attempt to mitigate the harm to pensioners Nick Glegg argued for the triple lock which was accepted.

Never-the less single woman pension poverty has now begun an upward trajectory and by the end of 2020 stood at 27%.

Expect to see a big rise by the end of this year as a result of the government refusing to honour their pledge over the triple lock together with a steep rise in the cost of living including fuel and food - absolute basics and essentials.

Yesterday they voted to cease the triple lock just at a time when the pensioner in poverty will feel the biggest and hardest affects.

Greta8 Tue 16-Nov-21 09:45:55

Thank you for this @Whitewavemark2. It's absolutely disgusting and infuriating. I really feel for single pensioners of either sex - how they manage I don't know, especially with all the increases in food prices, energy, etc. Even with pension credit it must be a hard existence. There's also a huge difference between pensioners that have always been able to pay into workplace pensions. Many women of the Waspi type age and older never had that option as due to no childcare they were often in part time roles.

Abolishing the triple lock at a time of rising inflation is typical of the Tories, a cynical money saving exercise at the expense of the elderly. I absolutely don't buy into this inter-generational thing either -(having said that we have helped our adult children lots) it's just the Tory way of pitting one section of society against another for their own ends.

LadyGracie Tue 16-Nov-21 09:46:14

No surprise really was it? Par for the course. I refuse to get my knickers in a knot.

Just think, a member of the House of Lords gets more for logging in per day than pensioners get in a week.

Charleygirl5 Tue 16-Nov-21 10:08:50

I appreciate that 8% interest is a lot but we are not exactly receiving £30,000 a year and it is cynical and unfair to change it this year for their own ends. They may think we will have forgotten by the next election- I do not think so.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Nov-21 10:11:51

The Tories promised that it would remain in place until 2024.

Pepper59 Tue 16-Nov-21 10:37:19

Yet to hear some, not all of the younger generation, all us pensioners are rolling in money, having five holidays a year and living in huge houses- I wish!

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 16-Nov-21 13:00:27

wwm wasn’t that promise made before the pandemic? And wasn’t austerity a direct result of the financial crash which wasn’t caused by any political party?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Nov-21 13:01:35

Germanshepherdsmum

wwm wasn’t that promise made before the pandemic? And wasn’t austerity a direct result of the financial crash which wasn’t caused by any political party?

All political not economic decisions

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 16-Nov-21 13:04:14

Really? You have evidence you can produce to support that statement I assume?

Lincslass Tue 16-Nov-21 13:15:46

I know what you mean Pepper59. If it wasn’t for my NHS pension, I really don’t know how I, and others like me would manage. On the basic state pension as DWP don’t have any records of my early years work in the NHS. Had to accompany spouse overseas, so guess they lost track of me!! People forget not everyone is on the new rate.

Lincslass Tue 16-Nov-21 13:24:25

Think I remember the austerity drive was EU led
www.bbc.co.uk/news/10162176

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Nov-21 13:28:07

Germanshepherdsmum

Really? You have evidence you can produce to support that statement I assume?

If you have to ask that question, then you haven’t been keeping up.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 16-Nov-21 13:34:27

Perhaps you would humour me then and give me the evidence as I’ve obviously missed it.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Nov-21 13:44:22

Heard of Keynesian economics and money supply? I won’t bore going into it, but that will give you an idea as to where the rethink is taking place in macroeconomics.

Google it it will be quicker than me laboriously typing it out.

GillT57 Tue 16-Nov-21 13:48:41

Whitewavemark2

The Tories promised that it would remain in place until 2024.

They also promised to maintain the percentage spend on Overseas Aid. Anyone seeing a pattern here?

GillT57 Tue 16-Nov-21 13:51:56

Pepper59

Yet to hear some, not all of the younger generation, all us pensioners are rolling in money, having five holidays a year and living in huge houses- I wish!

Please don't blame the younger generation, don't fall for the politics of division. Statistics show that the majority of Tory voters were over 70 so it is incorrect to blame youngsters.

GillT57 Tue 16-Nov-21 13:54:10

Lincslass

Think I remember the austerity drive was EU led
www.bbc.co.uk/news/10162176

sigh

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 16-Nov-21 13:56:23

Sorry wwm I know more than you might think but the statement you made doesn’t wash.

AGAA4 Tue 16-Nov-21 15:07:12

I wish the government would do more to help poorer pensioners. I have a pension from work but many couldn't afford to pay into one.
I don't think pension credit is enough and if the triple lock goes then some people will suffer and old age isn't kind.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Nov-21 15:19:44

Germanshepherdsmum

Sorry wwm I know more than you might think but the statement you made doesn’t wash.

As you wish.

Ilovecheese Tue 16-Nov-21 15:38:52

It seems to be in the Governments interest to pit generations against each other. Otherwise why raise N.I. instead of Income Tax.
If they had kept the triple lock and raised income tax, we would all have been able to contribute.
The triple lock would have been raising the State pension for future generations, and richer pensioners would have paid more in tax.

halfpint1 Tue 16-Nov-21 15:39:43

GillT57

Lincslass

Think I remember the austerity drive was EU led
www.bbc.co.uk/news/10162176

sigh

another sigh here,

MaizieD Tue 16-Nov-21 20:24:16

Lincslass

Think I remember the austerity drive was EU led
www.bbc.co.uk/news/10162176

The austerity drive within the eurozone was driven by the dominance of Germanic economic ideology, which demanded 'balanced' budgets and cuts in state spending.

As the UK was not in the eurozone it was at liberty to run its economy in whatever way it pleased. The German model appealed to the tories because it enabled them to justify huge cuts in state spending, to 'shrink the state', which has always been a tory objective from Thatcher onwards.

However, there are multiple economic theories about managing national economies; there is nothing particularly 'correct' about the 'austerity' model. It did, in fact, delay the UK's recovery from the depression caused by the Global financial Crisis. The economy was showing good signs of recovery prior to 201o when the Conservative/LibDem coalition came to power. This has been acknowledged by the IMF (just in case you think I'm making it up).

The most effective way to recover from a depression is for governments to spend in order to keep money circulating in the day to day economy and so stimulate business growth. This was demonstrated in the US in the 1930s when Roosevelt's 'New Deal' programme of government investment helped the US to recover faster from the 'Great Depression' than did other western countries. In the UK postwar recovery was similarly helped by ambitious government spending, as well as the US loan, particularly on the newly established NHS, infrastructure and house building programmes. Not such a good recovery as we also squandered money on trying to retain the Empire ..

We are in for another bout of ideology driven austerity, swingeing cuts to day to day public spending (which the government hopes will be masked by 'levelling up' money) all in the name of 'paying back' the money 'borrowed' to tide us over the covid crisis. Money that was, in fact, 'created' by the Bank of England and which we owe to no-one.

GagaJo Wed 17-Nov-21 00:13:10

They can't afford to spend on the country AND pay for all the bungs to their mates.

I'm worried about working post 60. I get no pension until 67.

Hetty58 Wed 17-Nov-21 00:17:43

It's completely unacceptable, in a rich country, to have elderly people living in poverty. Those who vote for it should hang their heads in shame!

I can't think of a worse stage in life to be worrying about keeping warm, comfortable and well fed - can you?