NHS in crises

The article I posted above explains some of the European health systems. Here’s one very salient passage:
‘The one element of the English NHS that has not been copied – and might well be one of the factors holding it back – is the extent to which it is very centralised and very politicised. Paradoxically, it has often not used the power that could come from a centralised system to enforce beneficial changes, with central powers instead being directed at short-term politically salient goals. This is a whole other area for investigation.’
So true.

Should say State and insurance, either State or private.

MaizieD

Severnsider

If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

studyabroadnations.com/top-10-countries-with-free-healthcare-for-everyone-including-students/

Health care in Europe is part funded by Gov and State. All care is free when medical necessary, as is ours. From then on it differs. Only know about Germany, as where family are. Here is a guide.
www.internations.org/go/moving-to-germany/healthcare

I missed the original comment about why the NHS has not been copied, or I would have responded then. Of course, it has.
www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/why-has-the-nhs-not-been-copied-spoiler-it-has

25Avalon

There was a time when it was the envy of the world.

There is still admiration for it....and another reason that many economic migrants wish to settle here.

Severnsider

If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

Because their population wouldn’t want to fund ‘others’ that’s why.Many countries are happy enough to stump up the cash for their own health insurance but wouldn’t dream of a system where their own tax cash helped those less fortunate.
Obama tried that in the US ( a form of it) and there was such an outcry at the thought of it!

vegansrock

The ambulance service is in crisis too with stories of lengthy waits for ambulances, people dying in ambulances as they are stacked up at A and E and can’t get to the next call. Scary. The healthcare system in this country is definitely collapsing .

No, it is not definitely collapsing.
It’s become more difficult due to Covid, but that’s a given, and many countries are experiencing the same, just watched a news item about the Netherlands.

I hope the health and Care bill second reading through the House of Lords stope this from becoming law.


This is damning During last night’s 14.5hr shift, we saw ONE patient. That’s not because there’s no demand, but because we were stuck at hospital for the entire duration, waiting for bed space. Ambulance crew says people are dying because Tories are defunding & privatising NHS What part of this is sustainable […]

you not tou, sorry

Ps the healthcare professional DH saw was excellent.
It is not them, it is bureaucracy in the system going wrong which is causing problems.

paddyann I'm sorry to hear about your MIL and hope she is comfortable and not distressed at all and tou are able to visit her.

The trouble is that the NHS service is so patchy, I think. A friend here had a suspected stroke at the weekend and spent 12 hours in the ambulance.

Pammie1
I'm not sure where you are but this was in Wales, sorry this has happened to you too.

DH had a phone call yesterday offering him an appointment today, luckily we could go and all was well. However, it was very last-minute (a routine, fairly non-urgent appointment) so I think the clinic was making sure he knew and wasn't trusting the information to the appointments system!

Severnsider

If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

studyabroadnations.com/top-10-countries-with-free-healthcare-for-everyone-including-students/

sorry for all the missed "K"'s keyboard playing up

My MI had a massive stroke on Saturday sometime between 4.30 and 5.30 .Her carer found her on the floor at 5.30 and called an ambulance and my SIL who lives nearby.The ambulance was already there when SIL arrived withing 10 minutes.
She was taken to A and E and they had a diagnosis within the hour .She was then moved to a single room in the mediacal assessement unit and we were allowed to stay with her all night .
Sunday we stayed with her all day and the doctor advised us to go home to rest .She was moved to a stroke ward yesterday and reassesed .Everyone we saw has been amazing,caring and truthful with us.We now she is unlikely to come home and even if she recovers a bit it wont be to any degree where she can leave hospital.
I have never had bad treatment from the NHS,mil has free personal care with 4 visits a day and no complaints about any of the men and women who have helped her for the past year .She has always been very independent ...too independent sometimes and the at home care has owred very well for her.
I now staffing is a n issue here in Scotland after Brexit and that other areas aren't so well served .We should be striving to ensure ALL the elderly and vulnerable get treated as well as my MIL has been

I have been in and out of hospital all my life due to congenital disability and remember when actual medical people ran things. If we put the NHS back in the hands of the medics and gave them the huge sums of money we currently pay to beaurocrats I’m sure things would be different. Alas there’s no political will - definitely not now that the Tories have been in charge for so long because they don’t want an NHS.

@Whitewavemark2 - the reason no one on spoken media is telling the truth about the health bill is that it doesn’t fit the current agenda. We’re more interested in how to address each other with the right ‘pronouns’ and other frankly ridiculous woke issues, than focusing on what really matters. In years to come future generations will look back on what happened during these times and wonder WTF we were thinking !!

@Calistemon. I’ve been at the sharp end of this incompetence three times so far this year. Waiting to have a knee drained and steroid treatment for rheumatoid arthritis at our local hospital. Twice, the letter arrived after the appointment date and I was referred back to the GP as a failed to attend. In the end I complained to the trust but the same thing happened again. I actually got a letter last week giving me the appointment for the beginning of December and it was followed the very next day by another letter cancelling it and moving it to two days before Christmas. You couldn’t make this shit up !!

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There was a time when it was the envy of the world.

If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

Something drew me to look at Reform Party UK. I always assumed they were very right wing but I thought I should look for myself. They were very anti woke as you would expect but their ideas on reforming the NHS were really interesting. They have graphs showing how little we pay into the NHS compared with other countries, maintain the NHS should be free, want more doctors and nurses to be trained, want to get rid of duplication and excess paperwork, and have properly trained managers, and more say for patients. Wow! I was surprised to read this and found myself in total agreement. Have a read. You too may be surprised although not necessarily agreeing with the rest of their policies apart from a proportional representation aim.

It’s not actually Whitewavemark, it’s the collapse of the English healthcare service. All the nations of the UK have issues with healthcare, but self-serving governments are not in power except in England from a healthcare perspective.

Dr Dan Goyal
@danielgoyal
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#NHSBill
It is not the collapse of the NHS we are experiencing. It is the collapse of the UK healthcare service.
There is no alternative service. Private care providers are not geared up and ready to pick up the slack. The transition to private care will hurt. #ScrapNHSBill

DO YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR NHS?

So today Boris Johnson’s Conservatives - with that big ole ‘get Brexit done’ majority you gave them, Britain - voted:

NO to helping better understand and improve services to treat alcoholism (every other party voted yes);
NO to better health warnings on cigarettes (every other party voted yes);
YES to a deeply unfair care cost structure which will see those with one small family home lose it to care costs, while the very wealthy remain untouched (every other party voted no).

‘All politicians are the same’ !?! really?

Boris Johnson’s Conservatives will vote:

YES to removing your right to secondary healthcare as a U.K. citizen which we’ve had since 1948. That’s NO LEGAL RIGHT TO NON-EMERGENCY HEALTH SERVICES FOR U.K. CITIZENS;
YES to allowing far more private and US companies into the NHS; and
YES to removing tender processes so fat contracts milking the NHS can easily be handed to their mates, paid for with your money, at the cost of patient care.
All other parties will vote no. But it won’t be enough to stop them.
Because of that big ole ‘get Brexit done’ majority you gave them.

IF YOU HAVE A TORY MP, please email them. They do listen if they think they might be in serious danger of not getting re-elected. Some Tories voted against social care costs this evening.

Please. Your life might just depend on it one day or that one of your GCs.

Interesting to see the thread on the Health forum about the removal of earwax. Just one of those services which people are having to pay for because it's no longer routinely offered on the NHS...

Joan Bakewell
@JDBakewell
Save The NHS! I’m asking the govt in the House of Lords on Wednesday what plans they have to stop American Health Insurance companies buying NHS surgeries.

I would trust my doctor over a politician any day of the week.