UK ‘dangerously close to elected dictatorship’ under Boris Johnson, Ken Clarke warns

Oh I wish be had an election very soon- and see.

Give up lemongrove it’s their way or the highway. WE obviously don’t know or understand the finer ramifications. ?
Just a shame us less intellectuals also get a vote each. Must annoy the hell out of some on here.

I agree with you about KC.!

I can understand how people wanted to 'believe in him', wanted him to 'get Brexit done' somehow. But how anyone can NOW, at this moment in time, refuse to see that their Emperor has NO clothes- is beyond me.

And again.... QED.

I don’t think we can compare Iran and Lebanon to the UK (understatement of the year.)

I have Hungarian friend who lives here in the UK who is horrified by the subtle regressions and I heed that as a warning in all honesty

Is it possible that among many, many people, there is a belief that it couldn't possibly happen here? That we're the UK and moderation always triumphs?

I had a friend from the Lebanon who told me that they had such a stable country, nobody thought they would ever have problems. Also another from Iran who still can't believe what happened.

Westendgirl
He was voted for by Conservative members /as Leader,not by all those who vote Conservative, and was voted for in the GE only to foil Corbyn getting in and to proceed with the Brexit process.
Not because anyone thought he would be a fabulous PM.

westendgirl

I said on another post that I cannot understand how rational ,intelligent people can think that Johnson has the attributes necessary for a leader in our country.
I still dont understand.

Rational intelligent people didn’t

Everyone forgets poor Alistair Burt

Remainers have every right to be bitterly upset. I'd say even the staunchiest of Brexiters should be... Is THAT really what you voted for?

Look, all the nonsense about dictatorships somehow won't be swallowed accepted by the gullible, sensible people know better.

Casdon I have been listening ( over many years, being an oldie) to what Ken Clarke has to say, there is much, as he likes the sound of his own voice.I don’t have any regard for him....you do.That’s all fine and dandy.
No ?he certainly isn’t too moderate!Just the opposite.
Has he mellowed over the years, perhaps, but I instinctively don’t like or trust what he says.

I said on another post that I cannot understand how rational ,intelligent people can think that Johnson has the attributes necessary for a leader in our country.
I still dont understand.

Twisting words....

...like saying that someone is very sensible is "lavish compliment"?

I think the best way of showing how this is happening is to outline the various laws that have been passed or they hope to get through which begins to restrict more and more.

Why always twist words Alegrias ?
I actually said that Ken Clarke is a bitter Remainer.
Nobody has mentioned posters, let alone your version of things.

I don’t know what you’ve been reading about Ken Clarke, but I can guess lemongrove. He’s too moderate for your leaning just about sums it up. I’ve said before that I respect him, it’s nothing to do with being left leaning or right leaning, one can respect a politician from a different party when he behaves professionally, has the courage of his convictions, and although I often don’t agree with him, he is a voice of common sense, as he was when a minister, in opposition and as father of the house. He was in the next constituency to my parents home, and was also very popular as a constituency MP.
Putting him the same league as the other two is just uninformed. .

We're seeing the democratic foundations of our (unwritten) constitution being eroded by a posh bloke who doesn't like to be questioned or argued with, but the standard response is "You're all bitter leftie Remainers, yah boo sucks."

God, we're in a state.

lemongrove

Sorry MaizieD ....I once again forgot that only you and a few
GN friends understand how parliamentary democracy ( and any democracy)works.?

It was part of my degree course, lemon. History, development and current practice.

So I think I have a pretty good idea of how it is all meant to work

I was asked ww.....so answered Maybee

Katie59

Elected dictatorship, works well in China - for the elite, with luck they won’t make Boris PM for life.

He will be out either at the next GE or before then so that another Conservative leader can take over I expect.

Oh dear, let’s keep to the subject. Other people’s opinion of those who have left the Tory party are simply not relevant.

Sorry MaizieD ....I once again forgot that only you and a few
GN friends understand how parliamentary democracy ( and any democracy)works.?

I do indeed protest, ? I have never been able to stand Ken Clarke, the epitomy of a Tory fat cat, pompous man.
As for Anna Soubry and Grieves!
Don’t even get me started on Soames ( another fat cat Tory)
And Rory Stewart left politics because he did so badly in the leadership race.

lemongrove

I find it laughable reading lavish compliments about Ken Clarke from left leaning posters.?
He’s a bitter Remainer and has always been full of himself in any case.

TBH, lemon, to people who actually understand how the British constitution and parliamentary democracy are intended to work your post is just arrant nonsense.

And still judging the quality of people's analysis by how they voted in the EU referendum is equally nonsensical.