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Keeping Royal Secrets

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Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 09:57:51

We are often told on here that despite the financial or democratic problems with the system, having a Royal Family provides continuity and something to fall back in in times of crisis, such as pandemics. So what do we think of this quote from the Sunday Herald this morning, regarding whether certain Royal papers should be released. In this case it should be noted that the papers already belong to belong to the tax payer but we’re not allowed to see the content.

Protecting the dignity of the Queen and working members of the royal family by protecting their privacy in truly private matters preserves their ability to discharge their duties in their fundamental and central constitutional role, not least of unifying the nations (as was seen during the depths of the current pandemic). Roger Smethurst, head of knowledge and information at the Cabinet Office.

On other words, if we know what they were really like in private, we’d never be taken in by their idealised images. They need to keep some things secret because they don’t fit with the image they want to portray.

Thoughts?

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 17:28:00

Oh yes the Danny Dyer episode was funny wasn't it. He seemed quite oblivious about who his famous ancestors were until it was explained. He couldn't even say Plantagenet if I remember correctly.

I wonder how far the connection has to go back for you to be considered royal? I mean I don't think many people think Danny Dyer is royalty but the connection is a long way back.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 17:30:43

I don't know, but I loved Josh Widdicombe's episode.

Alegrias1 Mon 22-Nov-21 17:38:57

Germanshepherdsmum

Public documents can be and are suppressed all the time. I really don’t understand the fuss over Mountbatten’s diaries. His bisexuality has been known of for years. Why the prurient interest in diaries that, had he not been murdered by the IRA, he may well have left instructions to have destroyed on his death? It is IMO an intrusion too far, as is the desire to see Prince Philip’s will.

It's entirely unfair to call it prurient.

I started this thread about 100 years ago to point out that the government and the Royal family are are preventing us from knowing particular things. Things that they think we need to be kept ignorant of, in order that the Royal family can fulfil their constitutional roles. In other words, if we knew these facts, we might think they made them unfit to do their jobs.

If there are things that make them unfit to do their jobs. I'd like to know about it, please.

Forget the will. Forget anybody's sexual preferences. Red herrings.

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 17:42:10

Calistemon

I don't know, but I loved Josh Widdicombe's episode.

I didn't see that one. Might have a look for it.

MissAdventure Mon 22-Nov-21 17:42:50

It's perfectly reasonable to want to know that they're fit to live the privileged lives that their roles afford them.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Nov-21 17:44:42

The Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William all seem able to fulfil their constitutional roles. I don’t believe some terrible secret is being kept from me.

MissAdventure Mon 22-Nov-21 17:45:35

How about Andrew?

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 17:46:11

not least of unifying the nations

Need I say more?

Alegrias1 Mon 22-Nov-21 17:46:46

Germanshepherdsmum

The Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William all seem able to fulfil their constitutional roles. I don’t believe some terrible secret is being kept from me.

I do. The chief information person from the cabinet said so. Way back on page 1.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Nov-21 17:49:10

What, in your wildest imagination, could it be? Do share!

Anniebach Mon 22-Nov-21 17:49:14

What could William’s terrible secret be

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Nov-21 17:54:57

Well I think we can discount his being illegitimate given his looks Annie. Though I know you weren’t suggesting that. Some posters would doubtless have enjoyed the old position of Groom of the Stool!

maddyone Mon 22-Nov-21 17:54:58

I tried Mr Google to establish exactly who might be my second cousin once removed, or third cousin twice removed, or first twice removed or, or, or! I ended up about three times as confused as I was before I started. I don’t know who my second cousin once removed is, or indeed who is the second cousin once removed of the Queen.

By the way, I agree with Alegrias.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 17:57:09

Thoughts

To whom do private diaries belong?
To whom do private letters belong?

If the author, then who owns these documents after the author has died?

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 18:05:09

MissAdventure

How about Andrew?

Andrew would have been a teenager when Mountbatten died wouldn't he? He can't have had much dirt on him.

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 18:07:25

Anniebach

What could William’s terrible secret be

I'm not sure if I've got timelines wrong but wasn't William born after Mountbatten died?

Anniebach Mon 22-Nov-21 18:08:42

The Queen, Charles and William are responsible for the alleged actions of Andrew ?

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:09:27

He was 19, I think, perhaps he was a very quiet, naïve teenager.
hmm

Caro57 Mon 22-Nov-21 18:09:30

It’s none of our business. So long as the job is done I don’t expect my ‘dirty laundry’ - or anyone else’s - to be aired in public

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:10:22

theworriedwell

MissAdventure

How about Andrew?

Andrew would have been a teenager when Mountbatten died wouldn't he? He can't have had much dirt on him.

My post was in answer to this one.

maddyone Mon 22-Nov-21 18:11:05

I don’t think the Queen, Charles, or William can be held responsible for whatever Andrew did/does.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:12:25

maddyone

I don’t think the Queen, Charles, or William can be held responsible for whatever Andrew did/does.

I agree.

'I am not my brother's keeper'.

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 18:12:33

Calistemon

He was 19, I think, perhaps he was a very quiet, naïve teenager.
hmm

Well of course teenagers can misbehave but I'm assuming he was at school till 18 so I just can't imagine what would be so sensational about him in Mountbatten's diaries. I think he was more focused on Philip and Charles, I bet Andrew wasn't high on his priority list. Although Andrew is obviously a target now.

Anniebach Mon 22-Nov-21 18:13:18

Neither do I maddy but someone thinks it’s relevant

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:14:49

Perhaps he drank cherry brandy at school, theworriedwell.

As Andrew will not become our monarch, our constitutional head, what does this matter?