Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

HILLY N. CLASS REPLY. With a Solution.

You got the solution for our life boat men to tow them back to France. Send your letter/request to Pritti Patel and the UK government and I didnt know until recently i was told the lifeboat men are mostly volunteers who risk their own lives at sea.

ITS GOT TO BE ADDRESSED AND URGENTLY.

These are human beings. Try putting yourself in their shoes and show compassion and understanding

They're doing this (coming across in boats) because they don't see an alternative - our asylum system is broken (and the Tories are doing nothing to fix it). Forgive me if this sounds cynical but I do wonder if there would be this outcry if these refugees were white? Somehow I don't think so.

We currently have ONE MILLION job vacancies in this country - we actually need immigrants. We should have a decent asylum system to process their applications efficiently, and be able to welcome more of them to fill those job vacancies. It's madness to see it any other way.

They do see an alternative Carly...it’s called France, but they apparently don’t like the idea of it.
Any government here would struggle with this problem, Conservative or Labour so maybe give the political point scoring a rest.
As to your idea that if so many thousands of asylum seekers/ migrants were white there would be no outcry, then I think you are mistaken.

Am I the only person concerned that some of these might be future terrorists or returning ISIS ? Nobody seems to want to mention that possibility. Or are we just meant to suck it up and hope that we don’t get blown up. Not all of them, but possibly some.

joysutty

Presume these people in the first place are paying others (gangs) for their "presumed" safe journey over to the UK and what I find incredible is that when they arrive they are holding mobile phones - and not bags of their own personal items. Doesnt add up. Sure there are people from genuinely terrible countries who are fleeing but not all.

... what is this obsession with migrants and mobile 'phones?

It's a means of communication and information. To quote one migrant, "Our phones and power banks are more important for our journey than anything, even more important than food".

They map their journeys, keep in touch with other groups - not to mention their families.

In much of the world, there are no land-lines - mobiles are their only means of communication.

Also, not all migrants are poverty-stricken, they are fleeing persecution and war, instability.

And the reason they have smart-phones as opposed to plain old cell-phones, is because that is basically all you can buy mostly.

We use smart-phones for more trivial reasons, and are judging them on this basis.

Some of these migrants are middle-class, who had jobs, homes... of course they will have mobile 'phones.

And if you're escaping your country because you're in danger, just how much can you rationally be expected to bring with you, apart from perhaps a few clothes and personal belongings?

Much of the media is doing everything it can to discredit asylum-seekers, not to mention the odd politician. And people - who claim to be sceptical about "what they read in the papers"... and who certainly don't normally trust politicians, accept it all at face value.

Depressing.

Forsythia

Am I the only person concerned that some of these might be future terrorists or returning ISIS ? Nobody seems to want to mention that possibility. Or are we just meant to suck it up and hope that we don’t get blown up. Not all of them, but possibly some.

The guy who implemented the Glasgow terrorist attack 15 years ago came from Aylesbury. Should I be avoiding everybody born in Aylesbury? Or would that be a complete over-reaction?

Alegrias1

Forsythia

Am I the only person concerned that some of these might be future terrorists or returning ISIS ? Nobody seems to want to mention that possibility. Or are we just meant to suck it up and hope that we don’t get blown up. Not all of them, but possibly some.

The guy who implemented the Glasgow terrorist attack 15 years ago came from Aylesbury. Should I be avoiding everybody born in Aylesbury? Or would that be a complete over-reaction?

Yes I was waiting for your reply. So as you’re the expert on here tell us why what I have said is unlikely and could not be a remote possibility. Given the events outside Liverpool hospital recently.

the French security that are patrolling their beaches where these in their waters these flimsy dingys to come over the UK. They are taking NO action and just looking/watching and taking no notice

Absolute nonsense . Totally untrue,

Joysutty….how can you possibly think they would be better with a bag of “possessions” than a mobile phone ???

Forsythia

Alegrias1

Forsythia

Am I the only person concerned that some of these might be future terrorists or returning ISIS ? Nobody seems to want to mention that possibility. Or are we just meant to suck it up and hope that we don’t get blown up. Not all of them, but possibly some.

The guy who implemented the Glasgow terrorist attack 15 years ago came from Aylesbury. Should I be avoiding everybody born in Aylesbury? Or would that be a complete over-reaction?

Yes I was waiting for your reply. So as you’re the expert on here tell us why what I have said is unlikely and could not be a remote possibility. Given the events outside Liverpool hospital recently.

Of course its a possibility.

Its also a possibility that we'll get hit by a comet tomorrow.

I'm glad to see I didn't disappoint.

God we really are becoming a pariah state.

The UN have just reminded that they had officially warned the U.K. that closing off safe routes would lead to avoidable deaths.

Completely ignored by this shabby government.

Actions has consequences

Lord Blunkett has warned that creating safe routes for migrants to come to the UK could put Nigel Farage in Downing Street.

The former home secretary said “the politics is toxic when it comes to migration” as he cautioned Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, against a policy of softening the asylum system.

I wonder WHY the French do not patrol their borders with adjoining countries such as Germany, Spain, Belgium etc etc so that these people do not get INTO FRANCE in the first place .....or am I being cynical !!!! When I lived in France the consensus of opinion was the Italians to mention one country, were giving free train rides into France for any illegals arriving .......so the 'border' at the end of the 'journey' would not be in Italy ......qielle surprise ....genuine refugees shoule have applications appplied for .....why are most of them single men ....and why can they not stay in their 'war ravaged ' countries and help to restore them ..............just asking !

One of the biggest pull factors for migrants is the knowledge that even if their asylum application is rejected, they will spend years in the UK. There are more than 15,000 failed asylum seekers who have been in the UK for at least seven years.

Gerald Darmanin, the French interior minister, on Thursday said the problems were compounded by the ease with which migrants could get work on the black market in the UK, such that, he said, it was billed as “El Dorado England” by the Channel migrant smugglers.

I have just read through 14 pages of comments and I am appalled at the lack of compassion and ignorance of some on GN. I will only say that I am more than happy to pay my taxes and have them go towards helping these desperate people. What I do object my taxes going towards is the Royal Family, how little it is, and Government expenses.

Forsythia

Alegrias1

Forsythia

Am I the only person concerned that some of these might be future terrorists or returning ISIS ? Nobody seems to want to mention that possibility. Or are we just meant to suck it up and hope that we don’t get blown up. Not all of them, but possibly some.

The guy who implemented the Glasgow terrorist attack 15 years ago came from Aylesbury. Should I be avoiding everybody born in Aylesbury? Or would that be a complete over-reaction?

Yes I was waiting for your reply. So as you’re the expert on here tell us why what I have said is unlikely and could not be a remote possibility. Given the events outside Liverpool hospital recently.

If terrorists are like the Liverpool bomber, they're not very efficient. Apparently, he was in the UK for 7 years. If I were master minding terrorist attacks, I wouldn't want to wait 7 years.

ALANaV

I wonder WHY the French do not patrol their borders with adjoining countries such as Germany, Spain, Belgium etc etc so that these people do not get INTO FRANCE in the first place .....or am I being cynical !!!! When I lived in France the consensus of opinion was the Italians to mention one country, were giving free train rides into France for any illegals arriving .......so the 'border' at the end of the 'journey' would not be in Italy ......qielle surprise ....genuine refugees shoule have applications appplied for .....why are most of them single men ....and why can they not stay in their 'war ravaged ' countries and help to restore them ..............just asking !

Have you any idea how long France's border is? How many people would be needed to patrol it efficiently?

Do you realise that countries like Eritrea ban people from holding passports and applying to leave the country?

Do you honestly think the Taliban would allow dissidents to leave Afghanistan with their blessing?

These people can't apply for a visa from their country of origin.

Its very important that everybody realises that these traffickers are not smugglers. Smuggling implies a degree of concealment; the idea that the people coming over in boats disappear into the black market economy and are never seen again.

That is not what is happening.

98% of the people coming across apply for asylum. They come into our system and we know where they are. If they are successful in their claim, they get to stay. If not, they get sent home.

Our Home Office is disastrously inefficient at assessment part of the process, but that is not the fault of the people coming across in boats.

To those still reading...why do we bother?

Urmstongran

One of the biggest pull factors for migrants is the knowledge that even if their asylum application is rejected, they will spend years in the UK. There are more than 15,000 failed asylum seekers who have been in the UK for at least seven years.

Gerald Darmanin, the French interior minister, on Thursday said the problems were compounded by the ease with which migrants could get work on the black market in the UK, such that, he said, it was billed as “El Dorado England” by the Channel migrant smugglers.

So now you listen to French politicians and take what they say as gospel?

Has it occurred to you that Darmanin is participating in a war of words, just as some British politicians are?

How about making the asylum seeking process in the UK more efficient?

A poster got flamed earlier today for copying "propaganda" verbatim from the literature of a pressure group.

Can I point out that at least one paragraph of Urmstongran's latest post is a direct quote from the Telegraph, but is not identified as such. The Telegraph of course, is hardly impartial in these matters.

I think people should be transparent when they quote sources which could be considered biased.

Barmeyoldbat, Alegrias 1, Whitewave&Co cheers

Maremia

Barmeyoldbat, Alegrias 1, Whitewave&Co cheers

Thank you. Some posts lack humanity
The obsession with dismissing “young men with mobile phones” would be funny if it wasn’t so inhuman, I’ll informed and cruel