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What will the judiciary do?

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Alegrias1 Sat 27-Nov-21 09:23:59

MaizieD

AGAA4

I think that when protests start becoming loud it can tip over into violence. This then detracts from the protest they are making.

Who judges what is 'loud'? Or, what is 'annoying', come to that?

Absolutely MaizieD

What's the point of protesting if nobody sees or hears you? They're supposed to be loud and annoying, that's what protests are about. confused.

And people going to football matches can tip over into violence. As we've seen this week, children going to the switch on of Xmas lights can tip over into violence. You can't ban people shouting and singing because it might tip over into violence.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 27-Nov-21 09:16:15

What a load of tosh paddyann. It’s you who is ‘spouting the usual rubbish’. You need to stop repeating the propaganda and do a little research of your own. Some people want Scotland to remain in the UK for sentimental reasons, certainly not because of any financial contribution. I’m not one of them. I would say be careful what you wish for.

paddyann54 Sat 27-Nov-21 00:53:39

"GSM" We dont have a deficit ,we cant borrow .The debt is Westminsters money spent on our behalf....lol on things like London crossrail and London sewers and 9 Billion for HS2 that stops over 200 miles from our border.I do wish people at least attempted to find out facts before spouting the usual rubbish! Scotland is by far the richest country in the "union" why on earth do you think WM is so desperate to hold onto us..WE pay their debts !1

MaizieD Fri 26-Nov-21 22:45:25

AGAA4

I think that when protests start becoming loud it can tip over into violence. This then detracts from the protest they are making.

Who judges what is 'loud'? Or, what is 'annoying', come to that?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 26-Nov-21 19:58:29

Yes, the EU will welcome you with open arms despite your deficit, the oil will keep you going for ever, you’ll keep using sterling. Etc etc etc. Get real. But that’s not what this thread is about. Why not start one?

paddyann54 Fri 26-Nov-21 19:52:00

We have Independence marches that are loud,people play insruments and sing while walking miles ,In all the years I've been going we have NEVER had an arrest .We had one young man who the police took to hospital after a union flag and flagpole was bounced off his face by a unionist supporter,one of the usual dozen or so . They try but fail to cause trouble .BUT the young man was OK and driven back to the arch by the police .
I think we may be the intended target of Bojo.He hates the Scots and he's terrified he'll be the PM that loses the union .Too late I think,we'll be off before too long and have much support and offer of open ports etc from the EU ,yes,including Spain .

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 26-Nov-21 17:17:08

Unfortunately a lot of protests seem to attract the professional ‘rent a crowd’.

AGAA4 Fri 26-Nov-21 16:02:35

I think that when protests start becoming loud it can tip over into violence. This then detracts from the protest they are making.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 26-Nov-21 13:54:17

The judiciary is duty bound to uphold the law. It interprets the law and cannot ignore it.
Having tried to work in an office with loud protests going on outside, and trying to get past protesters deliberately blocking the pavement and road, I would be delighted if they could be arrested for making a lot of noise or being annoying. Those are not what I call peaceful protests.

MaizieD Fri 26-Nov-21 13:17:25

Katie59

The right for peaceful protest will remain I’m sure, this is
probably about causing deliberate disruption, Insulate Britain glueing themselves to the road, that sort of thing, Being able to convict someone or a group directly instead of breaking a court order as happens now.

As for the judiciary, I’m sure any penalty will reflect the seriousness of the offence.

It's much more than that, Katie59. It gives powers to arrest if protesters are being 'loud', or 'annoying people'.

Pretty sweeping, don't you think?

Katie59 Fri 26-Nov-21 11:11:48

The right for peaceful protest will remain I’m sure, this is
probably about causing deliberate disruption, Insulate Britain glueing themselves to the road, that sort of thing, Being able to convict someone or a group directly instead of breaking a court order as happens now.

As for the judiciary, I’m sure any penalty will reflect the seriousness of the offence.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Nov-21 08:12:15

What I meant to say, (stirring porridge).

That curtailing the right to protest is impinging on the human right to protest, and don’t the judiciary have a legal requirement to uphold that?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Nov-21 08:08:36

I’m not sure maizie they could decide to simply give a warning, or don’t do it again etc.

MaizieD Fri 26-Nov-21 08:05:48

All the judiciary can do is interpret the law, surely? They cannot refuse to uphold it.

I wonder what the police will do, as they will be the ones who have to arrest people on suspicion of breaking it. Will they develop a collective blind eye, I wonder? Remembering their behaviour during the miner's strike I doubt it.

It will have to be civil disobedience en masse, I think.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Nov-21 06:13:28

The draconian law that Patel is pushing through parliament means that the democratic right to protest is being so severely limited as to make criminal many people who take part.

Will the judiciary go along with this? Or will they see a threat to everything that the British have held sacred for generations? That we have a right to protest and protest noisily - when we March against war or unfair tax or unpopular political decisions?