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Tony’s Law

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Allsorts Wed 01-Dec-21 08:16:52

Watching this lovely little boy Tony last night on the news last night was humbling. How can any human being do what they did, how can anyone do anything like that and to their own baby, they can’t change, you could never live with the guilt if you did. His birth parents should never come out of prison, but with this new law it will mean a life sentence for future cases, Thank God he has a home with his proper Mom and Dad where his is so loved.
People literally get away with murder now there is no deterrent. The victims and perpetrators get younger.

Galaxy Thu 02-Dec-21 09:47:19

It wouldnt take anyone else down to that level because they would expect someone else to to the job of execution . They can just say it on the internet without facing any of the consequences of taking a life.

MissAdventure Thu 02-Dec-21 09:43:33

The death penalty wouldn't be appropriate for rape.
Not even for most cases where someone is killed, just for those who enjoy torturing their vulnerable victims before killing or allowing them to die.

Smileless2012 Thu 02-Dec-21 09:39:21

Which is why I think life should be for life theworriedwell in the absence of the death penalty.

theworriedwell Thu 02-Dec-21 09:36:30

The trouble with the death penalty is if the wrong person gets convicted. This week we had an author (can't remember her name) who identified a man who raped her. He did 16 years in prison and has been on the sex offenders register for years. He is in his 60s and has just been exonerated.

Just looked up the author, it was Alice Sebold. The case was in 1981 so that man has been the victim of a false conviction for 40 years. He cried when he heard the news, he couldn't cry if he'd been executed.

Smileless2012 Thu 02-Dec-21 09:26:11

Setting off bombs against people who don't worship the same God is nothing like the death penalty IMO Franbern.

It isn't supposed to be a deterrent but an appropriate punishment for a crime committed. Until life is for life, in certain cases I believe in the death penalty and this recent case IMO is one where it should be given.

MissAdventure Thu 02-Dec-21 09:22:57

I also don't think it would take me down to the level of someone who would carry out sustained abuse and neglect of a child.
They would have the mercy of being treated respectfully, then humanely dispatched, which is rather more than these wastes of space deserve, frankly.

MissAdventure Thu 02-Dec-21 09:19:39

That would be me you were referring to, Franbern.
I believe in the death penalty; you don't.

Hetty58 Thu 02-Dec-21 09:16:05

Franbern, me too, I find it alarming. We can't sink to their (barbaric) level - and I believe that truly evil people are a rarity.

There are so many mentally ill, drug addicted and incapable, though, often undiagnosed, with no support. I don't believe longer sentences will act as a deterrent. either. These acts of cruelty aren't often planned or considered.

Anniebach Thu 02-Dec-21 09:10:46

We must never bring back the death penalty

Franbern Thu 02-Dec-21 09:05:55

I am disturbed at people's reaction of 'Let's us murder such dreadful people' and even one poster who actually boasted how they would be happy to do that killing!!! It is this sort of brain washing, which enables people to think they are doing a service to their community by placing bombs to kill people who do not worship the same god.

In my mind, that makes them as bad as the criminals.

Obviously, a tougher law for such people needed to be brought in, but I do hope that it will also involve proper therapy so that they can learn to realise how horrific their behaviour has been. Whether or not a life-time incarceration is the answer, or a very stringent licence system.

I know of another child who was horrifically beaten and seriously damaged by their biological parents, and now has a wonderful adoptive parents, along with an older sister and brother. I do worry about the future for these children, no matter how much and well they are loved and cherished by their adoptive parents, think they may need much support as they grow into their teenage and young adult years and may start to question WHY their biological parents treated them as they did.

Kim19 Wed 01-Dec-21 22:26:04

He really is the most delightful wee chap. Inspirational and humbling to the hilt. I first encountered him over his fundraising effort somewhere around the same time as Captain Tom. Further inspiration comes from his wonderful parents who manage to treat him with such normality rather than any show of compassion which their hearts must be full of. I salute them all. Very deeply moving situation and I'm delighted with this new law.

merlotgran Wed 01-Dec-21 19:32:10

Dominic Raab went up in my estimation. He didn’t patronise Tony and came across as enjoying every moment spent with him.

How proud Tony’s adoptive parents must be of their courageous little boy.

theworriedwell Wed 01-Dec-21 19:31:16

Tony seems a lovely little boy, he was on GMB alot when he was doing his walks. His adoptive parents seem wonderful people, he was very unlucky with his biological parents but so lucky to end up where he has.

Dinahmo Wed 01-Dec-21 19:25:12

Deterrents don't work because nobody thinks that they will be caught. Think back to the 19th C when people were hanged for sheep stealing, which they usually did because they were starving.

Smileless2012 Wed 01-Dec-21 19:14:01

I would too MissA.

They should both be sterilised *humptydumpty' whether they want to be or not.

3nanny6 Wed 01-Dec-21 12:30:05

What a wonderful little boy Tony is and so courageous. He has found lovely parents that adore him and despite his horrific start in life with the birth parents that abused him he has come out on top, he will have a good future with those lovely people.
I heard that his parents got ten years in prison and they have done half the sentence which is how the law works at the moment so they are soon due for release.
I just hope that little Tony continues going from strength to strength because that is the victory and that is him winning over what they inflicted on him. Pure evil b-----ds.

humptydumpty Wed 01-Dec-21 12:12:40

I sincerely hope that if either of these individuals ever expects another child, that child is removed at birth by social services.

Urmstongran Wed 01-Dec-21 12:05:41

* below-knee

Urmstongran Wed 01-Dec-21 12:05:07

When I read the news about this yesterday I felt so upset. There was a photograph of Tony as a baby in his cot in the hospital wearing blue leg bandages, obviously before his double knee amputation - his toes were visible. To think his biological parents harmed a baba of 41 days of age in this vile manner beggars belief. Poor little sausage.

Drugs, alcohol abuse, mental health issues?

What is the deterrent for these criminal low-life people? Hopefully sentencing is about to become much much stiffer - not before time - since ‘Tony’s Law’ has been passed.

25Avalon Wed 01-Dec-21 11:55:08

Also how can anyone torture and maltreat animals? There are some really subhuman people out there. To hurt animals is awful, to hurt a child even worse. Lock the parents up and throw away the key.

Calistemon Wed 01-Dec-21 11:55:04

I'm hesitant

That was in answer to the capital punishment posts
Check out osteogenesis imperfecta

There are cases of miscarriages of justice: I still remember the case of Timothy Evans.

GillT57 Wed 01-Dec-21 11:53:16

I agree that the sentence given to Tony's biological parents was not sufficient, but I did note that their pictures were shown and their names given, no protective new identities for them, so hopefully life will be intolerable for them. Tony is a lovely articulate little lad and his parents wonderful people.

Calistemon Wed 01-Dec-21 11:50:13

I'm hesitant, remembering the case of the couple who were accused of child abuse because one child kept getting broken bones, had all their children taken off them but it turned out the child had brittle bone disease undiagnosed by doctors.

Jabberwok Wed 01-Dec-21 11:49:12

Lets hope that the monsters who tortured six year old Arthur literally to death get the full force of the law. What they did to that helpless little boy almost doesn't bear thinking about, words can't describe the appalling treatment metered out to that child. 'No one loves me' this poor mite cried, just AWFUL! I don't believe in capitol punishment but in this intance I think they both deserve hanging!

25Avalon Wed 01-Dec-21 11:47:29

I used to take my disabled son to swimming for the disabled. The striking thing was how everyone there was so happy despite the most challenging disability. None felt sorry for themselves or bemoaned their fate. They were the most inspirational people I have ever met.
Tony is the same you only have to look at his face. What a brave little chap. His adopted parents must be so proud of him. I am so glad this new law has been passed.