Tony’s Law

I meant being in prison with all knowing what she had done she too may then agree with the death penalty

MissAdventure

I've no interest in what that thing agrees or disagrees with.

Neither have I.

I've no interest in what that thing agrees or disagrees with.

Sorry, I meant his step mother

Anniebach

Little Arthur’s mother may agree with you when serving her prison sentence.

Yes she killed another mother's son.

I can't remember which drug it is (crystal meth?) but people in the grip of an addiction to it have committed some truly, truly horrific murders, one on a packed greyhound bus.
So, no question that he killed, but whilst in the grip of drug induced psychosis.
He ate somebody's face.
Not guilty?

Not necessarily.
They may be guilty of killing because they are having temporary issues.
They may genuinely not understand what they've done.
They may be in fear for their own life.
They may have been coerced to the extent that they no longer understand right from wrong.
They may have alcohol, addiction to drugs, or any number of problems.
They still shouldn't be found not guilty.

MissAdventure

As I have repeatedly said, if there is any doubt whatsoever then the death penalty should never be implicated.
I have no doubt that sometimes the justice system gets things very wrong, in that case absolutely no room for mistakes or errors or even set ups, but only when it is proven.
Some killers ask for the death sentence, because they know they will reoffend.

As I have repeatedly said, if there is any doubt whatsoever then the death penalty should never be implicated.

If there is any doubt whatsoever the accused should be found Not Guilty!

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Would that be me you are talking about tickingbird. If you are going to bring things over from other threads at least have the courage of your convictions.

Give over Galaxy. Stop trying to make a serious discussion about you. FWIW I never gave you a thought.

I've just looked at the thread about that poor little tormented soul, Arthur.
The stepmother took a picture of him as he was dying.
Perhaps she was set up? Framed?
Perhaps someone made her do it?
No.
Proven.
Death penalty.
Some "people" are beyond redemption.

Yes, there is that angle, too, although of course, living in poverty is no excuse, when it suits, on gransnet.

I'm not talking about screaming "off with their heads!" at every turn, there are multiple factors to take into account.

we need to provide an environment where every child can REACH their full potential
obviously I want them to be able to READ too!

I am going to be very simplistic here but if local authorities and social services had enough money invested they'd have enough money for early intervention, thresholds would be set much lower, people would get proper support and hopefully babies like Tony would have gone to his foster and then adoptive parents before this happened. Luckily his adoptive parents were/are lovely. But it all needs investment. People need lots of investment too. I often have to remind myself that 2 generations ago my family were that deprived and poor they couldn't read.Not everyone is bad. We need to provide an environment where every child can read their full potential, our country have let a lot of people down.

Yea, I know that, Hetty, and there again is a case not to implement the death penalty.
People, and cases, are not black and white, are they?

MissAdventure, there are still mistakes made - and innocent people are set up by others. I do understand your desire for revenge, but people can be evil when they're very mentally ill - or controlled by, and scared of another.

Would that be me you are talking about tickingbird. If you are going to bring things over from other threads at least have the courage of your convictions.

“Ask”

Believe it or not I don’t agree with the death penalty. However, my suggestion of child abusers being sterilised was called abhorrent by certain posters. As them if they want to go to prison for a long spell or be sterilised - I know which they’d prefer.

It saves anymore children going through hell and saves the state the expense of keeping them fed and watered for years on end.

Arthur's biological mother is in prison for another offence. His stepmother murdered him.

Agree with me?
That she should be put to death?
I don't know anything about the case.

Little Arthur’s mother may agree with you when serving her prison sentence.

Little Arthur’s mother may agree with you when serving her prison sentence.

I think government polls have shown that up until fairly recently (not 40 years ago, at least) a good number of the population, in theory, would support the death penalty.
Again, it is never a black or white issue, I know.
It's all repugnant to even consider - a bit like abortion.

MissAdventure You are a minority here but I think the wider population agrees with you.
I am in two minds, on the one hand,I think it is a deterrent for some, but on the other, I see the injustice of death row in some American states.
I think those vile parents of Arthur should be executed, but that is thinking with my heart for what Arthur suffered. I just do not know the answer.