People blocking Lifeboat Stations.

Kali2

Yes, Maremia, many of us tried to explain that would be the case ... but they called it 'Project Fear' or 'scaremongering' - but they will never ever admit they were seriously warned, repeatedly.

Yes, it was all part of the lectures given to those of us who voted to stay were told to 'get over it, we lost' and 'who needs experts?' etc., etc.

We could make that the motto of this thread growstuff

growstuff

By the way LilyoftheValley, asylum seekers are not entitled to access our welfare system.

But why let the truth get in the way of a nice bit of bigotry eh?

Are our benefits really so good that they are worth dying for? What benefits? _They are not entitled to benefits_.

RTFT

I don't know why anyone bothers to post any genuine facts - Those who are ready to believe rubbish prefer to ignore anything that is true.

Elvis58

Trouble is most are economic migrants and until they land here cannot not be processed as genuine refugees.In the meantime they stay, are paid, fed and found accomadation and we the tax payer pay for the lawyers to fight for their right to stay in this country and very few are ever deported.
We as a country are being taken for mugs.Try and do the same in any other country and see where it gets you.In Autralia they turned the boats round and the refugees threw their children in the water thinking the immigration authorities would fish them out instead they watched the parents fished them out eventually and turned round a few months of that they stopped coming they got the message.
Sorry l dont agree with all of you but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Where is your evidence for this racist bile?

Are our benefits really so good that they are worth dying for?

To completely disregard all the information you are given and persist in perpetuating lies is just beyond comprehension.

TopsyIrene I have tried to make the point that there is no need to travel so far and make a terrifying journey across the channel in flimsy craft. Migrants have often travelled through several European countries where they could claim asylum. Nobody with a shred of compassion would try to prevent people from drowning - you have to be a rather 'special' person to even think of preventing the RNLI from doing their job, but why is it that people find it necessary to put themselves in such danger? Desperate people yes - but why push your life to the limits trying to cross fifteen miles of icy water in an overcrowded unsafe boat? Are our benefits really so good that they are worth dying for? I am also very concerned about what happens to people when they arrive. Other posters have said that we don't have the infrastructure to cope with thousands of people who are probably ill, traumatised, and have needs beyond that which we can provide, even for our current population. Waving the compassion flag is all very well - but unless we pay a great deal more into our public services, they cannot cope.

TopsyIrene06 How many posters "think the RNLI should be blocked from giving help" and how many think anyone blocking them is committing a criminal act and should be arrested? Count them up before assuming GN is not the forum for you. Don't tar all Gransnetters with the same brush!

bear1

Frence maritime law is broken by the french every time one of these migrants over crowded un sea worthy boats is launched but no one blames the french for breaking their own laws or not stopping the boats before they reach british waters which they should be doing then maybe we would have less coming here

This law applies when your leaving a Port
These people aren’t leaving a port and there are no authorities to inform.

I sometimes wonder if I am on the right forum for my personality and should not engage but here I go again. Just exactly why some smug, armchair critics think the RNLI should be blocked from giving help to anyone in trouble at sea, is truly mystifying and unkind. I’ll say it again, how desperate must you be to attempt to cross the channel in inadequate boats with untrained, untrustworthy amateur sailors? However I think me banging on about it is futile. Have a heart please.

Lots of typos, I blame my quaking with anger fat fingers

As a point of interest, may I ask how many if the 'let them drown', ' they are not like us so not welcome' brigade will be dutifully turning up in church on Sundays and Christmas Eve, feeling full of self-satisfaction? Will any of them stop a second to reflect on the various teachings of their chosen God? Or upon walking out their church's door, will they immediately be ready to snatch a crust of bread out of an immigrant's hand and put him back on a lilo to go so ewhere else? I cannot believe the heartlessness, the 'I'm better than them' mindset if people fortunate enough to buy the pearls that so nicely match their twinsets. Do make sure your lovely hat is on straight won't you?

I do think this has all got far far beyond 'Brexit' - but has come down to the fact people who were warned and chose to call it 'scaremongering' or 'Project fear' will just not be able to accept the warnings were correct ( = they were wr*ng!).

Yes, Maremia, many of us tried to explain that would be the case ... but they called it 'Project Fear' or 'scaremongering' - but they will never ever admit they were seriously warned, repeatedly.

Why don't we simply invoke the DUBLIN ACCORD? You know, the agreement whereby we are entitled to return people to the (safe) country they have just left? Would that not work? Oh wait. We can't do that now. That was, and still is an, EU agreement, and we have done a BREXIT, so it doesn't apply to us. Talk about shooting yourself in your cloven hoof!

"Is this some kind of mass hysteria?"

I was beginning to wonder that too Alegrias1

Brainwashing was never the preserve of autocrats or dictators - it seems quite commonplace listening to the ramblings on and off script from Government Ministers in TV interviews.

Kali2

Have you actually watched the clip you posted. He uses the very word.

Actions are indeed louder than words, and one N word is very much like another, if you are one. In South Africa they use the K word.

4allweknow

Growstuff As stated, the women were not against refugees in the UK. The issue raised was the priority given to the refugees ie brand new social housing long awaited and needed by locals.

Fascinating - what evidence do they have regarding priority treatment for refugees in "new homes".?

Elvis58 - you made this remark I think:

"Trouble is most are economic migrants and until they land here cannot not be processed as genuine refugees."

There is no evidence at all that "most are economic migrants", and as far as I'm aware it is UK legislation alone that has determined they need to set foot on UK soil before they can claim asylum.

Growstuff As stated, the women were not against refugees in the UK. The issue raised was the priority given to the refugees ie brand new social housing long awaited and needed by locals.

Have you actually watched the clip you posted. He uses the very word.

Yes, I did a direct translation from the French title. Both words were used throughout. It makes little difference to the context, history, facts or desperate situation.

Have you ever actually seen the film?

It is advertised as such.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ol9Tf39jh8

Kali2
I’ve always known the film as I am not your negro not as you’ve put it with the N word.

Regarding the scurrilous claim that people threw their own children into the sea. It was proven to be completely made up and used by the Howard Government to bolster their case for re-election.

The Australian Senate Select Committee for an inquiry into a certain maritime incident later found that no children had been at risk of being thrown overboard and that the government had known this prior to the election. The government was criticised for misleading the public and cynically "(exploiting) voters' fears of a wave of illegal immigrants by demonising asylum-seekers".[1][2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Overboard_affair