The leader has become a liability

JaneJudge

all these lazy, work shy brexit voters who wanted theses jobs should apply for them

It is the Law. Here you are though, and funnily enough it’s Labour that want the 15 year rule to stay. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05923/ Personally if you’ve lived in another country for at least that amount of time , why would you want to vote, the actions, of said Government, apart from Brexit, will have no impact on your life.

That wasn’t me, or anyone on GN.
Until the referendum was promised by Cameron and then backed by Parliament, nobody on here was even whispering anything on the forum about the EU.
Everyone on here gets why Remainer voters are disappointed that we have left the ( sainted!) EU, but the fact is that we have done, so that ship has sailed.

Time for bitter Remainers to give it a rest? Oh yes, I think so.

... in the same way the disgruntled Eurosceptics and other assorted anti European Union individuals have done since 1975?

You didn't give it a rest - why should we?

true, having no carers wont do anyone's health any good

It’s not my concern, faux or otherwise ( I couldn’t care less) but it won’t do anyone’s health any good.?

Glitches on GN today...

Give it a rest?

Dream on.

You're going to be hearing a lot from us, now and in the future. And please don't give us any faux concern for our state of mind, we won't be listening ?

I'm living for now but I am not that old

How are we going to fill all these urgent job vacancies? especially in care?

so is he going to apply for a social care job when he loses his?

Time for bitter Remainers to give it a rest? Oh yes, I think so.
Johnson wasn’t the one doing the negotiations for the UK with EU counterparts ( although I realise that many on GN think it’s him doing everything).
The reason Johnson and the Conservatives did so well was to get us out of the impasse we were in and finally out of the EU.
That’s been done, so well worth voting for them.
It’s up to the government to make it work, and the next government too, whichever political party gets in.
They say that older people live in the past....well, many on here are still reliving 2016 and fighting old battles.Time to move on.

Time for bitter Remainers to give it a rest? Oh yes, I think so.
Johnson wasn’t the one doing the negotiations for the UK with EU counterparts ( although I realise that many on GN think it’s him doing everything).
The reason Johnson and the Conservatives did so well was to get us out of the impasse we were in and finally out of the EU.
That’s been done, so well worth voting for them.
It’s up to the government to make it work, and the next government too, whichever political party gets in.
They say that older people live in the past....well, many on here are still reliving 2016 and fighting old battles.Time to move on.

all these lazy, work shy brexit voters who wanted theses jobs should apply for them

It's the same in other sectors linked to disability, education support in mainstream settings for example.

Not that a lack of carers or care in ANY situation is ideal

Yes Gill, they think of a temporary situation rather than an ongoing one

JaneJudge

I hope those of you defending Brexit don't need care any time soon as we just cannot recruit carers at all. It is an unforgivable situation that vulnerable people have been left in.

Yes, there has been a lot of coverage of this issue lately I notice. On our local news tonight there was an item about a family with a teenager with complex physical difficulties who was having dreadful problems getting carers. Her mother ran the family caravan business, livery stables and had two younger children and looked absolutely wrung out. Many people think only of elderly people and carers, which is nowhere near the reality.

But I wasn’t allowed to vote like many others in Europe. We didn’t count. I am British.

Share of people who think Brexit was the right or wrong decision 2020-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Nov 16, 2021
As of November 2021, 50 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 37 percent who thought it was the right decision. In the actual referendum, which took place on June 23, 2016, leave won 51.9 percent of the votes and remain 48.1 percent, after several polls in the run-up to the referendum put remain slightly ahead.
People are waking up.

I've tried to find a redeeming feature with Boris Johnson - no-one is all bad, are they?

I'm not bothered about his ruffled hair, his ill-fitting suits - or, really, his private life... I'm not even sure he's obliged to tell us how many children he's fathered. And his buffoonery - well, many people have their idiosyncrasies.

I've been watching this thread and sitting here thinking about him. But, I cannot find one quality that I can respect or admire. I shan't babble on about what he's said, done - or not done, or all the things that I dislike about him, we've all heard them a million times over.

I will only sum it up from a statement he made in 2016 regarding Brexit.

"Leaving would cause business uncertainty, while embroiling the government for years in a fiddly process of negotiating new arrangements, so diverting energy from the real problems that have nothing to do with Europe"

... and then, he "got Brexit done". Badly. And is now scapegoating the EU for his own failures. Brexit was a conduit for his personal ambition - an ambition that far outweighs his competence. He's not 'on your side', he's not on anyone's side, he's on a quest and I don't think he cares one jot about the country... he will leave us as he found us and not give a second thought to all the damage he has caused. He is, in short, simply a narcissist.

Coastpath 10.38 post

Excellent post, Coastpath

Katie59 In all honesty in these Covid dominated days I really don’t believe anyone else would do better

I am sorry but I beg to differ.

Here below are some of the most affluent countries in Europe. The UK is placed second but as it can be seen has more deaths per million population except of Italy, which was first hit with no réal warning. However, the UK had a few weeks to prepare but Boris was absent from the COBRA meetings in January. Even the NHS working their knuckles to the bone couldn’t cope because Boris diverted the money to ….. well we all know.
Germany 1214.58
United Kingdom 2172.26
France 1834.23
Italy 2223.54
Spain 1874.76
Netherlands 1122.8
Sweden 148.72
www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/
worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/richest-european-countries

Those of us who wanted BREXIT had nowhere to turn. No one was on their side. Until Boris made his promise. To Get Brexit Done.

When the only person on your side is a liar and a cheat surely it is worth considering if your side is doing the right thing.

Coastpath, good post. Urmstongran, I am saddened that your drive and obsession to ',get Brexit done' meant the country ended up with this cheat and liar as the PM, I can only assume that your desire for Brexit over rode any moral considerations.

MerylStreep

I’ve just read an article where a journalist has called Starmer a
cast iron chateau bottled yawn
I think I’d rather take the brick bats hurled at Boris than be thought of in this light ?
After all, you stop listening to people if they’re boring, don’t you ?

You'd rather people thought you were a lying, cheating, money grabbing liar?

I hope those of you defending Brexit don't need care any time soon as we just cannot recruit carers at all. It is an unforgivable situation that vulnerable people have been left in.