The leader has become a liability

Electorial commission has just today announced that it is fining the Tories over the flat finance and corruption.

Not to worry Johnson is intent in getting rid of the Electorial commission.

Sir Roger Gale on Ch4 News just now seems to think Johnson needs to go. There are still some MP’s with a certain amount of integrity that no longer want someone like him leading their party.

Roger Gale has always been a good MP and someone with integrity

Of course Mr Nigel thought they could gain Roger's seat with UKIP. It never happened did it

I’ll just drop this in here although it could do with a thread of its own, but posters do not appear to understand the seriousness of the implication of this bill.

Michael Rosen
@MichaelRosenYes
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When I see how the govt is proposing that people can have their British nationality taken away from them, it reminds me of how Vichy France 'denaturalised' Jews who naturalised after 1927.

Daily Mail today has several articles which paint Johnson in a realistic (ie negative) light.
The suggestion is he will be gone by Easter unless things improve. Richard Littlejohn ironically asks if we can believe Mrs J has had her baby.

CNN had a big article about the failure that is Johnson, but interestingly, and they didn’t expand, thought that the Tory party is too weak to consider a knew leader.

Not sure what they mean by that.

not just too weak - they just haven't got anyone ready, fit and capable!!!

If you rule out all the front bench - a total waste of space as far as I'm concerned - who is left? Someone suggested this morning that Johnson should have more senior advisors - where will they come from? Some people will say Sunak but I don't think so since he's in favour of austerity which is the last thing that the country needs.

I always thought Jeremy Hunt was pleasant and had integrity, would like to see him in a prominent position again.

I had hoped Hunt would be chosen as the leader.
The only worries I had about him was that he had been a Remainer ......that now doesn’t matter, so if he were able to take over in a year, say, that would be fine.

Yes I hoped so too.

I have said previously that there appears to be a lot of distancing going on by several members of the Front Bench and other MPs towards Mr.Johnson.

My money would/will be on Rishi Sunak.

I do wonder when the letters of concern will start mounting up in the 1922 Committee Offices, when will there be enough to force a vote of no confidence?

I’m not a fan of Johnson (he always struck me as being like a salesman who talks the talk and gets the work in but someone capable does it), however I wonder who would have been able to cope with the combination of Brexit and the pandemic? Suggestions welcome. I have already said I have a lot of time for Jeremy Hunt though as a Remainer I don’t know how he would have handled Brexit.

Maybe, as a remainer, Hunt would have tried to build bridges with the EU rather than alienate them by sabre rattling. And wouldn’t have tried to ignore existing legislation.

Many here do not believe me when I say the EU and the world, is indeed watching. And so often- those who see things from further afield may see things more clearly, in many ways.

Posting here from CNN as in English, but similar News items are on the news all over, indeed all over the world. And most predict that Johnson is indeed, finished.

youtu.be/RfTsLjdb3Mc

Do none of you find the very notion that North Shropshire is a "safe seat" a negation of democracy?

It implies that no-one there or in any other safe seat, who disagrees with the sitting party, can ever vote in a way that matters?

If you think that your vote will never count, why vote?

First Past The Post is an obscenely undemocratic electoral system. It needs to go if the UK is not to become the last undemocratic country in Europe.

varian

Do none of you find the very notion that North Shropshire is a "safe seat" a negation of democracy?

It implies that no-one there or in any other safe seat, who disagrees with the sitting party, can ever vote in a way that matters?

If you think that your vote will never count, why vote?

First Past The Post is an obscenely undemocratic electoral system. It needs to go if the UK is not to become the last undemocratic country in Europe.

If you think that your vote will never count, why vote?

Possibly one of the reasons why so many people say, when asked / interviewed things like "well what's the point" or "it doesn't make any difference". And why many of the young can't be bothered to vote.

When you think about it, the Referendum got people out of their apathy - disregarding the result - they got out and voted because they knew it would make a difference - no?

I understand the pro's and cons of both PR and FPTP, but when you consider that a majority of seats does not mean that the majority of people support a party in government, it does seem immoral and undemocratic.

So what are people supposed to do? Our system means a repeat of the same old, same old, leaving people to just not bother to vote - or to take to the streets if they care enough. Our system is one of discord, adversary and aggression - is it any wonder that each party "plays politics" - it's in the nature of the beast.

Maybe that's one of the reasons we're such a divided nation - partisanship means there's no desire to work together, no consensus on what's best for the country as a whole. So we end up with the two major parties slugging it out with each other in the House - and the rest of the electorate doing the same with each other.

Kali 2 the comments on the YouTube clip did make me laugh, particularly ‘If someone started a brush and comb franchise in Britain they would make a fortune’

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m not a fan of Johnson (he always struck me as being like a salesman who talks the talk and gets the work in but someone capable does it), however I wonder who would have been able to cope with the combination of Brexit and the pandemic? Suggestions welcome. I have already said I have a lot of time for Jeremy Hunt though as a Remainer I don’t know how he would have handled Brexit.

Do you think Johnson has actually done much? He missed lots of Cobra meetings didn't he? Then with divorce/wedding/babies/catching covid I don't think he has probably done much, he'd leave that to people beneath him.

Dinahmo

If you rule out all the front bench - a total waste of space as far as I'm concerned - who is left? Someone suggested this morning that Johnson should have more senior advisors - where will they come from? Some people will say Sunak but I don't think so since he's in favour of austerity which is the last thing that the country needs.

And his austerity is quite funny with the way he spent our money, or ran up debt for us, with his loans that are going bad with high levels of fraud, furlough where some lucky people got 80% salary and others just got thrown onto job seekers not to mention his bright idea to Eat out to spread the virus.

Kali2

not just too weak - they just haven't got anyone ready, fit and capable!!!

There has to be someone more capable than Johnson or we are truly sunk.

He got rid of all the competent people. Or they left.

This - exactly.

Incredible, and difficult to believe