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The leader has become a liability

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-Dec-21 08:16:55

Anyone noticed that Johnson’s support has begun to wan at PMQs?

At one stage Tory MPs would shout support to the rafters every chance they got, but now many don’t bother turning up and the shouts of support seem forced and hollow.

Johnson isn’t delivering, and they are watching an opposition leader who is becoming more confident by the week, whose effortless delivery of attacking questions that hit home every time particularly now that he has a shadow cabinet he wants with the support he will get.

The wheels are looking decidedly wobbly. Johnson’s ineptitude, lies and failure to deliver policy without seemingly constant u-turns is wearing thin.

His time is coming.

MerylStreep Fri 10-Dec-21 23:00:11

lemongrove

I had hoped Hunt would be chosen as the leader.
The only worries I had about him was that he had been a Remainer ......that now doesn’t matter, so if he were able to take over in a year, say, that would be fine.

Lemongrove
At least he doesn’t view the eu through rose coloured glasses. ?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-conference-latest-jeremy-hunt-compares-eu-soviet-russia-foreign-secretary-putin-a8562256.html

Kali2 Fri 10-Dec-21 23:11:09

Do you happen to see Brexit with rose tinted glasses?

1st of Jan 2022 is soon - you ain't seen nothing yet!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 10-Dec-21 23:13:05

Kali2

Do you happen to see Brexit with rose tinted glasses?

1st of Jan 2022 is soon - you ain't seen nothing yet!

Except they’ve had to push a big part of it forward to July ???.

Remember how straightforward it was going to be?

Kali2 Sun 12-Dec-21 10:12:56

Huge respect for Keir Starmer on A Marr today- he could so easily make massive political capital out of the terrible mess Johnson finds himself in - but he refuses to do so - and will follow scientific advice on what restrictions will work best to stop many deaths and hospitals being overwhelmed.

THAT is what true, real, honest and effective leaders do. And I for one would be so tempted to go against the PM, defeat him in the House and call for a vote of no confidence.

MayBee70 Sun 12-Dec-21 11:14:43

All Johnson understands is having fun and a good time. He thought being PM would be a lark. Throughout the pandemic he has constantly apologised for restrictions that stop people meeting up and enjoying themselves (thereby making people feel aggrieved about protecting themselves and everybody else even if they hadn’t, till he mentioned it, felt aggrieved) but has (to my knowledge) never apologised about lack of PPE, huge numbers of people dying unnecessarily. Even if the quiz wasn’t actually the worst thing he has done as PM, it sums up the character of the man perfectly. But why has it taken so long for people to see him for what he is. I mean, the evidence has been on show for years.

Grany Sun 12-Dec-21 21:33:18

Say what you like about Bercow, the guy can land a punch

twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1469269160735789058?s=20

varian Mon 13-Dec-21 12:19:05

"This guy stinks in the nostrils of decent people" - John Bercow is right.

MayBee70 Mon 13-Dec-21 12:44:26

Dominic Grieve was just talking about Johnson on (I think) Sky News. I feel so sorry for people like him having to see what their party has descended into. Plus, of course, like Starmer, Grieve understands the letterof the law. I was pleased to see that he looked healthier, though. He’s looked like a haunted man over the last few years and didn’t deserve how the party has treated him, A thoroughly decent man. Oh, and I see Johnson is, yet again, doing a photo shoot at a vaccination centre. But this time wearing a mask.

varian Mon 13-Dec-21 13:15:37

"It is stunning that the Conservatives so casually jettisoned any reputation for responsible government, fiscal prudence or sensible diplomacy under a spendthrift leader who has become an international laughing stock, while seeming intent on sacrificing their bedrock of southern voters. As one possible leadership contender said to me, who knows what the party stands for now? “We seem like some strange cross between Clement Attlee’s socialism and a bunch of nationalists.”

There is fury over Johnson’s selfish behaviour and froth over possible succession. Yet the party faces more far fundamental questions than whether Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss or even (stop laughing) Matt Hancock should be next leader. It should reflect how it ended up in this mess, plummeting in the polls and further demolishing the electorate’s faith in Westminster – and then pull back from sliding down the slippery path to populism.

There is, after all, nothing remotely surprising about their leader’s dodgy conduct, given that he was sacked from a newspaper for fabricating quotes and dismissed from the shadow cabinet for lying over an extra-marital affair. This man built his career on artifice, bombast and contempt for rules. So what does it say about the Tory party that it put this chancer into Downing Street?"

Former Conservative Ian Birrell writing in the "i"

inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnson-tory-party-scandal-elected-1349406

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-Dec-21 07:37:00

Told you so?????

Kali2 Fri 17-Dec-21 14:54:16

So, will it happen very fast- as I predicted ?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Dec-21 15:04:59

Not sure anything will happen before the next by-election in Southend (the late David Amess’s constituency) if the Conservatives lose that one I think it will be curtains for Mr.Johnson.

MayBee70 Fri 17-Dec-21 15:08:04

I can’t see them losing that one. Then again it might be the sort of constituency where people voted for the man rather than their political allegiances and may revert back.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Dec-21 15:21:45

Anna Firth the Conservative candidate is a councillor in Sevenoaks, a barrister and has set up a foundation to help educate children who have fallen down the Covid-19 rabbit hole

I do not know anything else about her (will
Google later).

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 17-Dec-21 15:26:20

I wonder if she will come across as having the time to devote to constituents that David Ames’s did?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 17-Dec-21 15:26:40

Amess!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-Dec-21 15:27:53

I thought no other party was going to contest it?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Dec-21 15:31:18

Whitewavemark2

I thought no other party was going to contest it?

I think I heard that, but honestly not 100% sure.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Dec-21 15:34:06

Germanshepherdsmum

I wonder if she will come across as having the time to devote to constituents that David Ames’s did?

It’s a big ask, as David started out as a Basildon MP 30 odd years ago before moving to Southend.

I had the pleasure of meeting him many times, he was a true gentleman, family man along with caring for his constituents (whether they voted for him or not)

Dinahmo Fri 17-Dec-21 15:45:25

GrannyGravy13

Not sure anything will happen before the next by-election in Southend (the late David Amess’s constituency) if the Conservatives lose that one I think it will be curtains for Mr.Johnson.

I read somewhere that the main parties weren't putting up candidates in Southend, in recognition of David Amess.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-Dec-21 15:56:26

So can we safely assume that it will be a Tory win????

1 vote will do it and I assume the candidate will vote for him/herself

varian Sun 19-Dec-21 17:51:20

The circumstances of a political assasination are not the normal circumstances of a by-election.

Obviously David Amess will be replaced by another Tory.

No opposition party wants to profit from murder.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 19-Dec-21 20:13:52

There was a cobra meeting today, probably one of the most important meetings as we face what’s ahead and the decisions to be made.

Johnson did not attend

Kali2 Tue 28-Dec-21 21:23:49

So, how long will it take when normal 'business' returns in the NY? How quick will it be?

Boris Johnson

The Daily Telegraph summed up the future of Boris Johnson on December 11th by headlining with a piece that stated: “The collapse of trust can be traced to the fatal flaws in Boris Johnson’s personality. The latest crisis in No 10 is no fleeting embarrassment, but a game-changer that has stripped the PM of any remaining credibility.”
“Johnson has always been unfit for high political office, as incompetent as he is dishonest. Beyond Brexit – an exercise in self-harm set to make the UK at once poorer, less secure in its own union of nations, and weaker abroad – he has nothing to say.”

Kali2 Wed 29-Dec-21 17:31:33

A sign of the times- I posted the above last evening- and not a single person has come to say I was talking nonsense and Johnson will still be PM well into 2022 and next Elections.

Penny

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