The leader has become a liability

And mainly, do you know what it is... now you've got it?

Now many feel a great loyalty towards Boris. It will not easily be forgotten.

58% of Scottish Tory voters would beg to differ.

Well you've got your Brexit- and where will you turn now?

What will you do with it?

Boris will survive this. Peppy Pig. Boozy Christmas party (which he wasn’t at BTW).

Red wall voters were FURIOUS that the HoC were twisting every which way to avoid enacting the result of the referendum to Brexit. Remember the hostile indicative votes? The Benn Act?

Remainers weren’t fussed. Indeed they were even hopeful it could be REVERSED! Remember Jo Swanson for the Lib Dem’s piously opining that she would ignore the referendum result if she were elected? Sheesh.

And here’s the rub.
Those of us who wanted BREXIT had nowhere to turn. No one was on their side.
Until Boris made his promise. To Get Brexit Done.

Now many feel a great loyalty towards Boris. It will not easily be forgotten.

Sorry ? I know it rankles but there it is.

I think dirty is the right word for it Lemongrove. All evidence suggests that Boris Johnson doesn't play by the rules and never has. He plays dirty - lies, cheats, whatever it takes to get done what he wants done. A vote for a A vote for him was I believe a vote for a man whose morals and principles were questionable and who was known to play dirty.

If anyone can say that they voted for Johnson because they believed he was the man who would honorably, fairly and in a straightforwardly decent manner execute the Brexit plan then I will happily admit I'm wrong.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s ratings are very low in Scotland. 4 in 5 Scots (80%) say they are dissatisfied with the way he is doing his job as Prime Minister, while just 16% are satisfied. This is the lowest level ever recorded by Ipsos MORI – Johnson’s previous lowest rating was in October 2020, when 76% were dissatisfied with his performance as Prime Minister, while in April 2021 64% were dissatisfied. Almost 3 in 5 (58%) of those who voted Conservative at the 2019 General Election say they are dissatisfied.

Ipsos MORI poll conducted in the week after the Peppa Pig debacle.

This isn’t about Labour though. Tell us what you think about the actual question lemongrove, do you think Boris will survive as leader until the next election?

Nope, they didn’t want Brexit doing ‘dirty’ as you charmingly put it coastpath but they did want it doing.The red wall seats
Voted for Johnson for that very reason and to keep Corbyn out.As did many other people, which is why he ended up with such a big majority.
Now we are out of the EU and Corbyn is toast then Labour, (after such a very long time with Conservatives in power) will
no doubt win the next GE.If Starmer fails on that he will cease to be leader, deservedly.

Now that did make me laugh lemongrove! ?
It could just as easily have been.

He always was a liability though wasn't he? Surely there is no point in his life when a thinking person could have looked at him and thought him anything other than a total liability. His school report, his choice of club at Oxford, his relationships, his problem counting his children, colluding to have someone beaten up, being sacked more than once, being repeatedly caught cheating and lying and much more.

If you were running a small business and he came for a job, would you, knowing the entirety of his history, employ him? The fact that the Tories chose him and people voted for him says everything you need to know about them. They didn't care about his morals or skills, they just wanted a job (keeping power and 'doing' Brexit) done quick and dirty by someone who believes himself beyond the rules that bind most decent human beings.

Tbh, when I saw the thread title on the active list I thought it was about Keir Starmer.?

Based only on my intuition, I think Johnson actually wants to go, and no longer really cares much about anything to do with governing the country. The more he fools around, the more he gives me the impression that he’s opting out and having fun on the way.

“Just how Brexity do they want it? “

There is no doubt they wanted a “cake and eat it “ deal, the “no deal is better than a bad deal” was just a bluff.

Even the zealots knew that no deal would be chaos, in the end cobbled together a pigs ear that delivered very little, whilst making it more difficult to trade with our biggest customer and depriving us of the migrant labour we need.

MaizieD

^... well Brown's "light touch" regulation on the banks didn't work out too good though did it?^

At least he and Darling saved the day when the GFC hit. Without the quantitative easing people's bank accounts would have been suddenly empty...

... all true. I'm just wary of the "light touch" regulation principle.

"A principles-based approach does not work with individuals who have no principles"... said someone, and I can't remember who it was...

... well Brown's "light touch" regulation on the banks didn't work out too good though did it?

True Dickens, but that was when Gordon Brown was Chancellor. Rishi Sunak is at the helm. Not Boris. Sunak is a banker of some repute apparently...

... well Brown's "light touch" regulation on the banks didn't work out too good though did it?

At least he and Darling saved the day when the GFC hit. Without the quantitative easing people's bank accounts would have been suddenly empty...

This was written by some else, and perhaps she says it much better than I would have done, so sharing here

''The problem is, I’m not sure the country has the ability to ‘wise up.’ The portion of uneducated, traditionally working class voters who voted Tory still think he’s amazing. My own mother in point. Working class background, sadly uneducated, lifelong Labour voter up until the last 2 elections. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that her changed stance appears to have occurred at the same time as her use of social media. She is continuously drip fed rightwing propaganda and rightwing policies which are utterly against her own interests. She is continuously spouting sound bites from Tories and right wing rags. Yet Johnson and his ilk literally wouldn’t p*ss on her if she was on fire. She was a cleaner most of her life who lives in a council house. She just doesn’t get any of this. She has no intellectual ability to to see beyond what the Tories tell her. No ability to question things. I told her about the Downing St Xmas party last night. Her reaction? No comment whatsoever then launched into a large rant about the Labour Party and how she never wants to see them in power. I mean, the two things aren’t even related. But the poison, the brainwashing runs deep.''

yes, this.

Urmstongran

Hi MayBee ?
I think part of Boris’ appeal is that he is a libertarian. He encourages us to ‘look on the bright side’ and have faith that things will be fine. Starmer just seems gloomy by comparison. He’d button us down even tighter if he could right now. Mind you, some folks would love that.

I like the way Boris at least tries to give us some autonomy with our lives. Unlike Sturgeon and Drakeford too.

A lighter touch with guidelines rather than mandates is very popular.

... well Brown's "light touch" regulation on the banks didn't work out too good though did it?

I think the fatal blow will be dealt from within the Tory party, there are rumblings from the back bench and as we know, the party can be ruthless. I hope that Johnson has a humiliating end, he shows no loyalty himself to friends and colleagues ( let alone spouses and employers).

MayBee70

There was always an opinion that beneath Johnson’s blustering buffoonery there lay a great intellect. Even I thought that, on becoming PM, he would become more ministerial but, alas, it is beyond his capability. In fact, I don’t even know what he is capable of to be honest.

... I thought the same - didn't really pay much attention to him tho' prior to his appointment as PM.

An over-zealous narcissist whose incompetence far outweighs his ambition.

The thing is Urmstongran, in the short term this isn’t about Labour at all, it’s about whether his colleagues are prepared to put up with him making a first rate pillock of himself so frequently, and so publicly. They will oust him if they think another leader will be more credible to the electorate - I think that day is fast approaching, you can sense the frustration in the way Tory MPs are behaving.

Hi MayBee ?
I think part of Boris’ appeal is that he is a libertarian. He encourages us to ‘look on the bright side’ and have faith that things will be fine. Starmer just seems gloomy by comparison. He’d button us down even tighter if he could right now. Mind you, some folks would love that.

I like the way Boris at least tries to give us some autonomy with our lives. Unlike Sturgeon and Drakeford too.

A lighter touch with guidelines rather than mandates is very popular.

The feeling I got when conversing on FB was that there was a lot of dissatisfaction with Johnson's government, but not because Brexit was a mistake, it was because it wasn't Brexity enough.

Good Heavens!

Just how Brexity do they want it?

Perhaps they'd like to up anchors and tow the UK miles out into the Atlantic Ocean?

The very fact that so many here still support him- say ...

well, best if I don't put my thoughts into words.

Shall we never learn from history?

Oh please, give me a boring, intelligent, humane, educated, experienced, honest man... any day.

What with Trump and Johnson, we surely have seen what the alternative achieves (not).