No 10 was breaking Christmas Lockdown rules last year.

What I can't understand is, that if there was a party at No 10, why on earth didn't the Police break it up? There is always a duty Policeman sometimes two, guarding No 10, so why didn't they intervene ?

It's the hiding in plain sight thing, that a lot of the entitled do isn't it?
Alluding, hinting, skirting around something without saying it.
I don't believe only those at the party that never happened were the only ones who knew about it.

Plus he was making a joke about the alleged Downing Street party, which is what this thread is about !

“ If JRM held / attended a party yesterday which, unless I'm mistaken, is not breaking any rule at the moment then, disregarding his 'attitude', I don't see the point in raising the issue within the context of what is being discussed.”

I raised it because it is typical of the sheer “entitled” attitude of people like Rees Mogg and indeed Boris,

I think his "attitude" is very much relevant in the context of what's being discussed. People haven't forgotten last Christmas and what many had to give up, especially after they'd been promised that all would be OK.

The alleged party/parties at Downing Street didn't just involve random groups of people. These were the people who wrote the rules, treated people like fools by ignoring the rules themselves and then joked when they were found out.

Rees-Mogg might not have broken any rules himself, but his flippant joking is unforgivable. It comes after his comments about not having to wear a mask in the HoC because they knew each other, etc.

I think people are at breaking point and they're livid.

Alegrias1

Lucca

Alegrias1

JRM's party was yesterday.

And as usual all he could do was sneer and make “jokes”. Sorry but I find him odious, I just do.

Oh I agree Lucca

But if people start complaining about a party that happened yesterday, it dilutes the impact of the real complaint and other people can say that we don't know what we're talking about and we're all just out to get the government.

Some are just "out to get" the government - in the same way others want to discredit Starmer / Labour.

Personally, I make no bones about the fact I don't trust Johnson nor his government. However, I am a pragmatist and also like to attempt to be objective and will not 'bash' him / them purely for the sake of it.

If JRM held / attended a party yesterday which, unless I'm mistaken, is not breaking any rule at the moment then, disregarding his 'attitude', I don't see the point in raising the issue within the context of what is being discussed.

So why doesn't the government make that point?

Indeedy.

Dickens

Baggs

Of course, some people really don't care, but rather arrogant to think they represent everyone else's opinion.

I'm slowly reading this thread in its entirety. Up to what's quoted above I see no sign whatsoever that anyone who doesn't care (one poster so far) thinks they represent everyone else's opinion. The person who apparently doesn't care only spoke on a personal level as far as I could tell. Don't accuse people of doing things they haven't done.

Back to reading.....

... that was my comment.

I was speaking in general terms - hence my reference to Facebook and the "nobody cares" meme.

My observation was not aimed at any particular person on GN.

Oh, I see. Thanks, dickens.

Lucca

Alegrias1

JRM's party was yesterday.

And as usual all he could do was sneer and make “jokes”. Sorry but I find him odious, I just do.

Oh I agree Lucca

But if people start complaining about a party that happened yesterday, it dilutes the impact of the real complaint and other people can say that we don't know what we're talking about and we're all just out to get the government.

Baggs

growstuff

If the parties didn't break any rules, why doesn't the government come clean and explain what happened?

I agree.

One possible explanation has occurred to me, which is that if all the party attendees worked together at no.10 anyway then they'd be in the same 'bubble'. Perhaps.

Just a thought ?‍♀️

So why doesn't the government make that point?

In any case, the rules for people at work and in social settings were different. People were fined large sums of money for not observing the difference.

Workplaces were supposed to make it possible for people to socially distance and to insist on mask wearing. I don't suppose those rules were observed at a party, where people from several offices would have been in the same room.

Baggs

^Of course, some people really don't care, but rather arrogant to think they represent everyone else's opinion.^

I'm slowly reading this thread in its entirety. Up to what's quoted above I see no sign whatsoever that anyone who doesn't care (one poster so far) thinks they represent everyone else's opinion. The person who apparently doesn't care only spoke on a personal level as far as I could tell. Don't accuse people of doing things they haven't done.

Back to reading.....

... that was my comment.

I was speaking in general terms - hence my reference to Facebook and the "nobody cares" meme.

My observation was not aimed at any particular person on GN.

I think really the bigger point is that how on earth can Johnson or indeed any minister now stand in front of the nation and tell it to stick to any rules?

Quite. But I'd been thinking that for ages, long before any party shenanigans.

Kali2

How many people were allowed in a bubble last year- really!?!

www.lbc.co.uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-no10-christmas-party-scandal-iea/

And in any case we had just been told “no Christmas parties” so a work bubble would have been irrelevant.

Alegrias1

JRM's party was yesterday.

And as usual all he could do was sneer and make “jokes”. Sorry but I find him odious, I just do.

How many people were allowed in a bubble last year- really!?!

www.lbc.co.uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-no10-christmas-party-scandal-iea/

growstuff

If the parties didn't break any rules, why doesn't the government come clean and explain what happened?

I agree.

One possible explanation has occurred to me, which is that if all the party attendees worked together at no.10 anyway then they'd be in the same 'bubble'. Perhaps.

Just a thought ?‍♀️

Rees-Mogg was also videoed at a recent talk making great fun of it all!

Of course, some people really don't care, but rather arrogant to think they represent everyone else's opinion.

I'm slowly reading this thread in its entirety. Up to what's quoted above I see no sign whatsoever that anyone who doesn't care (one poster so far) thinks they represent everyone else's opinion. The person who apparently doesn't care only spoke on a personal level as far as I could tell. Don't accuse people of doing things they haven't done.

Back to reading.....

It seems that way.
Deny it for over 6 months and you're safe!

In the same week that that they are doing just that to some "ordinary" people

But the people being prosecuted this week were investigated some time ago. Presumably 'retrospective' has more an elastic interpretation for the police. Commit a crime 6 months ago and they'll investigate; do it a year ago and they won't...

Maudi

Well I won't be locked down again it's one rule for them and one rule for us.

It's a personal judgement, though, isn't it Maudi?

Do you risk being infected with covid and infecting others, some of whom may be extremely vulnerable to the disease, just for the sake of defying any mitigations that might be put in place because 'they' didn't follow the rules?

Is your loyalty to the people around you who make up the society we live in or to a corrupt PM and his followers?

MissAdventure

The police have said that they wouldn't really be looking to retrospectively bring charges against rules that were broken last year.
In the same week that that they are doing just that to some "ordinary" people.

Yes, this argument always struck me as really odd "the police don’t investigate crimes retrospectively"

Sorry, what? Have they been watching Minority Report?

If you have any sense Maudi you will do as the Public Health advisors tell you, even if you have no respect for the Government.

Maudi I understand your sentiment, but surely you will do what’s best to protect yourself. It will be awful if people start to disregard the rules over this, because that could easily lead to more deaths. This government isn’t worth dying for.

Well I won't be locked down again it's one rule for them and one rule for us.