No 10 was breaking Christmas Lockdown rules last year.

Yes, the police have agreed to look at it.

Just checked, the crime and policing minister, when questioned, said he didn't know that a party had taken place.
All a bit awkward.

MaizieD

P.S GG13. I very much respect that you are principled enough to have commented on this thread. It has been noticeably empty of tory voters...

I have always urged on the side of not commenting until after the results of investigations. unfortunately I am not 100% confident in either the integrity of some of the investigations (recent, ongoing or future) or the results.

I guess this Met Police investigation like others will be ignored with no implementation or change in working practices.

(For the record I am not a fan of Cressida Dick, she really doesn’t inspire confidence that she is in control or on the ball)

In the context of the parties, the joking, laughing and the not taking is seriously, the photo of the Queen is dreadful.
She is a a symbol of all the people who, believing we were all in grave danger, made huge personal sacrifice.

These people were laughing at us rule followers and I hope this opens everyone's eyes to the true nature of the people who are running/ruining this country at our expense.

MaizieD

P.S GG13. I very much respect that you are principled enough to have commented on this thread. It has been noticeably empty of tory voters...

Agreed.

Lucca

MaizieD

P.S GG13. I very much respect that you are principled enough to have commented on this thread. It has been noticeably empty of tory voters...

Agreed.

Seconded.

Yes, Coastpath they are laughing at us in private. It's showing utter contempt for us ordinary folk who try to follow the rules. What sickens me is that it all seems to roll off them like water off a ducks back

Thank you folks.

Not all previous Conservatives voters are sheeple , I am to all intents and purposes politically homeless…

MissAdventure

Just checked, the crime and policing minister, when questioned, said he didn't know that a party had taken place.
All a bit awkward.

That's a handy way of keeping crime figures down, isn't it.
Being told that an offence may have been committed but that you didn't know about it at the time!

I'm getting confused myself trying to keep up!

It is in the past, gone and finished with. I couldn’t see my elderly relatives but at am not up in arms about this. Did it happen or not, quite frankly I don’t care. Going on and raking it up isn’t going to change things, let it go and let’s get on with the here and now. You can’t change the past but we can change the future.

Maizie I think Stratton is married to a Spectator journalist, not a Telegraph one (not that it really matters whether it's the Spectator or the Telegraph). Rishi Sunak was the best man at their wedding.

Sunak and Stratton are godparents to each other's children. Stratton is also said to be a close friend of Carrie Johnson.

This certainly seems like Cummings' work. There were a number of people at the rehearsal with Stratton, including technicians and PR people, etc. I don't know who they were, but somebody will know and it wouldn't be surprising if one of them was friendly with Cummings (and/or could have been influenced by him). It's claimed that Carrie Johnson and Cummings hated each other. Whatever the truth, it's clear that the Number 10 household is full of back-biters.

Shropshirelass

It is in the past, gone and finished with. I couldn’t see my elderly relatives but at am not up in arms about this. Did it happen or not, quite frankly I don’t care. Going on and raking it up isn’t going to change things, let it go and let’s get on with the here and now. You can’t change the past but we can change the future.

A lot of people do care though.

I belong to a bereaved parents group.
One of the members daughters died from covid.
I think she is entitled to care, entitled to rake it up, entitled to want an apology at least.
Her daughter was 14.

I’m listening to Jeremy Vine (again) and it’s on about this. They’re asking will we still follow the rules after what has come to light. Well yes, because that’s for my protection regardless of what the government did/do/don’t do.

Video evidence is showing that it did happen, in fact it it wasn't a one off. It's not just the Downing Street party but the one JRM was at and the party Gavin Williamson threw.

Is it right to let this kind of rule breaking/mickey taking go? Are we to be expected to get on with the here and now knowing that this bunch of people, who have no regard for the people of the country, are in charge.

You're right Shropshirelass we can't change the past, but if we let this go then we won't change the future.

JRM's party was yesterday.

Alegrias1

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/met-police-to-probe-leaked-footage-of-downing-street-aides-joking-about-christmas-party/ar-AARzxGS?ocid=uxbndlbing

They're looking at it now.

Call me sceptical but I doubt if there is anything in that recording that actually proves a party definitely took place. Jokes can be just that, jokes, and on their own prove nothing.

It would certainly be the starting point for further investigation if a more serious crime (assault, murder etc) was alleged, an investigation that involved identifying and questioning all those who were at the party/ non-party, but I have a feeling that the police will decide - or be persuaded, if you know what I mean - that this isn't serious enough to merit that level of investigation.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Shropshirelass

It is in the past, gone and finished with. I couldn’t see my elderly relatives but at am not up in arms about this. Did it happen or not, quite frankly I don’t care. Going on and raking it up isn’t going to change things, let it go and let’s get on with the here and now. You can’t change the past but we can change the future.

... well yesterday is, theoretically, "in the past", so that's quite a convenient way to excuse misdeeds...

It's interesting that the previous leader of the Labour party had his past deeds - some dating back years and years - thoroughly examined by the media, and were used as a basis for not voting for him (and I didn't BTW, I am not a Corbyn fan).

Changing the future you say? Well one way of doing that is by admitting the mistakes of the past.

You may not be bothered by the obvious contempt being shown to the general public, but some will question the validity of a party's diktats when the rules they make are conveniently not applied to themselves. And it won't just be the Left who are asking questions, Johnson's own party faithful are also beginning to feel qualms about his leadership.

Well I won't be locked down again it's one rule for them and one rule for us.

Maudi I understand your sentiment, but surely you will do what’s best to protect yourself. It will be awful if people start to disregard the rules over this, because that could easily lead to more deaths. This government isn’t worth dying for.

If you have any sense Maudi you will do as the Public Health advisors tell you, even if you have no respect for the Government.

MissAdventure

The police have said that they wouldn't really be looking to retrospectively bring charges against rules that were broken last year.
In the same week that that they are doing just that to some "ordinary" people.

Yes, this argument always struck me as really odd "the police don’t investigate crimes retrospectively"

Sorry, what? Have they been watching Minority Report?

Maudi

Well I won't be locked down again it's one rule for them and one rule for us.

It's a personal judgement, though, isn't it Maudi?

Do you risk being infected with covid and infecting others, some of whom may be extremely vulnerable to the disease, just for the sake of defying any mitigations that might be put in place because 'they' didn't follow the rules?

Is your loyalty to the people around you who make up the society we live in or to a corrupt PM and his followers?

In the same week that that they are doing just that to some "ordinary" people

But the people being prosecuted this week were investigated some time ago. Presumably 'retrospective' has more an elastic interpretation for the police. Commit a crime 6 months ago and they'll investigate; do it a year ago and they won't...