No 10 was breaking Christmas Lockdown rules last year.

It seems that way.
Deny it for over 6 months and you're safe!

Of course, some people really don't care, but rather arrogant to think they represent everyone else's opinion.

I'm slowly reading this thread in its entirety. Up to what's quoted above I see no sign whatsoever that anyone who doesn't care (one poster so far) thinks they represent everyone else's opinion. The person who apparently doesn't care only spoke on a personal level as far as I could tell. Don't accuse people of doing things they haven't done.

Back to reading.....

Rees-Mogg was also videoed at a recent talk making great fun of it all!

growstuff

If the parties didn't break any rules, why doesn't the government come clean and explain what happened?

I agree.

One possible explanation has occurred to me, which is that if all the party attendees worked together at no.10 anyway then they'd be in the same 'bubble'. Perhaps.

Just a thought ?‍♀️

How many people were allowed in a bubble last year- really!?!

www.lbc.co.uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-no10-christmas-party-scandal-iea/

Alegrias1

JRM's party was yesterday.

And as usual all he could do was sneer and make “jokes”. Sorry but I find him odious, I just do.

Kali2

How many people were allowed in a bubble last year- really!?!

www.lbc.co.uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-no10-christmas-party-scandal-iea/

And in any case we had just been told “no Christmas parties” so a work bubble would have been irrelevant.

I think really the bigger point is that how on earth can Johnson or indeed any minister now stand in front of the nation and tell it to stick to any rules?

Quite. But I'd been thinking that for ages, long before any party shenanigans.

Baggs

^Of course, some people really don't care, but rather arrogant to think they represent everyone else's opinion.^

I'm slowly reading this thread in its entirety. Up to what's quoted above I see no sign whatsoever that anyone who doesn't care (one poster so far) thinks they represent everyone else's opinion. The person who apparently doesn't care only spoke on a personal level as far as I could tell. Don't accuse people of doing things they haven't done.

Back to reading.....

... that was my comment.

I was speaking in general terms - hence my reference to Facebook and the "nobody cares" meme.

My observation was not aimed at any particular person on GN.

Baggs

growstuff

If the parties didn't break any rules, why doesn't the government come clean and explain what happened?

I agree.

One possible explanation has occurred to me, which is that if all the party attendees worked together at no.10 anyway then they'd be in the same 'bubble'. Perhaps.

Just a thought ?‍♀️

So why doesn't the government make that point?

In any case, the rules for people at work and in social settings were different. People were fined large sums of money for not observing the difference.

Workplaces were supposed to make it possible for people to socially distance and to insist on mask wearing. I don't suppose those rules were observed at a party, where people from several offices would have been in the same room.

Lucca

Alegrias1

JRM's party was yesterday.

And as usual all he could do was sneer and make “jokes”. Sorry but I find him odious, I just do.

Oh I agree Lucca

But if people start complaining about a party that happened yesterday, it dilutes the impact of the real complaint and other people can say that we don't know what we're talking about and we're all just out to get the government.

Dickens

Baggs

Of course, some people really don't care, but rather arrogant to think they represent everyone else's opinion.

I'm slowly reading this thread in its entirety. Up to what's quoted above I see no sign whatsoever that anyone who doesn't care (one poster so far) thinks they represent everyone else's opinion. The person who apparently doesn't care only spoke on a personal level as far as I could tell. Don't accuse people of doing things they haven't done.

Back to reading.....

... that was my comment.

I was speaking in general terms - hence my reference to Facebook and the "nobody cares" meme.

My observation was not aimed at any particular person on GN.

Oh, I see. Thanks, dickens.

So why doesn't the government make that point?

Indeedy.

Alegrias1

Lucca

Alegrias1

JRM's party was yesterday.

And as usual all he could do was sneer and make “jokes”. Sorry but I find him odious, I just do.

Oh I agree Lucca

But if people start complaining about a party that happened yesterday, it dilutes the impact of the real complaint and other people can say that we don't know what we're talking about and we're all just out to get the government.

Some are just "out to get" the government - in the same way others want to discredit Starmer / Labour.

Personally, I make no bones about the fact I don't trust Johnson nor his government. However, I am a pragmatist and also like to attempt to be objective and will not 'bash' him / them purely for the sake of it.

If JRM held / attended a party yesterday which, unless I'm mistaken, is not breaking any rule at the moment then, disregarding his 'attitude', I don't see the point in raising the issue within the context of what is being discussed.

I think his "attitude" is very much relevant in the context of what's being discussed. People haven't forgotten last Christmas and what many had to give up, especially after they'd been promised that all would be OK.

The alleged party/parties at Downing Street didn't just involve random groups of people. These were the people who wrote the rules, treated people like fools by ignoring the rules themselves and then joked when they were found out.

Rees-Mogg might not have broken any rules himself, but his flippant joking is unforgivable. It comes after his comments about not having to wear a mask in the HoC because they knew each other, etc.

I think people are at breaking point and they're livid.

“ If JRM held / attended a party yesterday which, unless I'm mistaken, is not breaking any rule at the moment then, disregarding his 'attitude', I don't see the point in raising the issue within the context of what is being discussed.”

I raised it because it is typical of the sheer “entitled” attitude of people like Rees Mogg and indeed Boris,

Plus he was making a joke about the alleged Downing Street party, which is what this thread is about !

It's the hiding in plain sight thing, that a lot of the entitled do isn't it?
Alluding, hinting, skirting around something without saying it.
I don't believe only those at the party that never happened were the only ones who knew about it.

What I can't understand is, that if there was a party at No 10, why on earth didn't the Police break it up? There is always a duty Policeman sometimes two, guarding No 10, so why didn't they intervene ?

Are you serious?

Its a 3 floor building with 100 rooms.

Do you think they popped out to the front door to give him a cup of mulled wine and asked him to keep schtum?

I actually think that Johnson is finished, now. But what really annoys me that any remorse is because they’ve been found out, not because of what they’ve done.

MayBee70

I actually think that Johnson is finished, now. But what really annoys me that any remorse is because they’ve been found out, not because of what they’ve done.

I agree (about the 'found out' not about the 'finished') but there's a reason for the cliche that it's never the act that gets you it's the cover up.

I don't care what you think of Blackford, he is totally right here and I am sure has the vast majority of the population with him on this one:

www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-59578079

ButMaybee that is always the case in any situation like this.

Listening to the Foreign Affairs Committee questioning that Senior Civil Servant yesterday about why he went on holiday - and stayed away for 11 days during the Afghanistan Crisis. along with the Foreign Minister and almost every other senior person in the FO.

He was very apologetic, and with hindsight, realised this was a mistake - and said so several times. I was delighted when the Chairman turned to him and said It sounds less credible every time you repeat it. It sounds platitudinous.

Was that Tugendhat (sp)? I was in and out of the living room so missed a lot of it. DH watched most of it.