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Politics: a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

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GrannyGravy13 Sat 11-Dec-21 08:38:16

No, totally unacceptable I agree with Alegrias1

Galaxy Sat 11-Dec-21 08:35:36

Nope. Everything that Alegrias said with bells on. I cant begin to describe how unpleasant I find this.
Oh and as an aside I wouldnt follow Bidens lead on anything.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Dec-21 08:32:37

I’m absolutely - at the moment - on the fence with this one.

I can see the merit in both sides. I also suspect that this debate will widen and change as covid shows us it’s many faces.

Alegrias1 Sat 11-Dec-21 08:27:49

Nope.

Compulsory medical treatment of any kind is unacceptable. If we make it a condition that you have to take a given medical treatment to take part in society, then we are allowing the government of the day, of whichever persuasion they might be, to impose their decisions about what is right on the whole populace. So in return for a bit of safety, we turn over autonomy over our own bodies.

It's a sure way to sow division and conflict in society. It doesn't matter if other countries are doing it, they make their own decisions, we shouldn't do it. I believe around 50% of people think that we should bring back capital punishment. Just because a measure would be popular, it doesn't mean it's a good idea and we should do it.

Be careful what you wish for.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Dec-21 08:06:01

I meant to say thanks to Ross Atkins of the BBC.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Dec-21 08:04:37

Austria is introducing compulsory vaccinations in February. Other countries are giving the idea serious thought, and even Johnson recognises that we need “a national conversation” over the way forward.

The issue is that most people now entering hospital with severe covid are unvaccinated.

Rich countries examples of fully vaccinated are

USA 60%
U.K. 69%
Germany 69%

But
African continent 7%,
Every person not immune from this virus is essentially a viral factory, producing mutations.

But despite governments efforts there is still numbers of the population who are resisting the jab. So now we find that Germany, New York and a number of others are actively seeking to introduce compulsory vaccinations in order to break out if the cycle of wave after wave of sickness and lockdowns.

Argument then is this

Personal liberty v the greater good.

Biden argues that it has nothing to do with “freedom” but about protecting yourself, your lived ones and your community.

Others argue it is about government overreach.

Javid argues that it is unethical.

However it is worth remembering that this is not new - smallpox vaccine was compulsory in 19 century Europe and nhs staff have to get a vaccine.

A vaccine mandate will save lives. WHO argue that mandates should only been used when all other routes have been explored.

Clearly some countries are beginning to think that they have reached this point. In Germany 72% of people are in favour of mandating vaccination.

I think that this will be a major debate in the coming year, particularly if. Omicron and it’s cousins prove very difficult to control.