Support public health measures or defeat a Tory government what should ban opposition leader do?

I don’t necessarily believe in the government’s position and given the chance, I’d vote against it.

Having said that I applaud the decision by Starmer to vote with the government for what he believes is the public good. It would be so easy to vote against the measures and the he could rightly be accused of playing politics. In that case Boris’ jibes would be correct.

rosie1959

Depends which you think is the most important the health of the nation or trying to get a vote of no confidence.
Now if Starmer is the man people expect him to be he will back the regulations rather than scoring points against the opposition

I would be surprised and very disappointed if he didn’t vote FOR the health measures,

I agree Kali2. Granset should not be a vehicle to promote proven falsehoods.

Back to the thread, surely we would all want any honourable politician regardless of political persuasion to put public health before political point scoring. The desperate left of the Labour Party trying to suggest that Starmer should have behaved other than honourably in the current crisis is just stirring the pot to see if they can get some reaction. It’s quite pathetic.

Labour are trying to draw attention to the need for more mitigation in schools:

Labour (@UKLabour) has today [Thursday] warned that the Government’s failure to get ventilation measures in place is pushing schools to open windows despite plummeting temperatures and causing energy bills to rocket.

www.fenews.co.uk/education/open-windows-not-an-answer-in-winter-labour-warns-as-governments-ventilation-failure-creates-further-education-disruption

MaizieD

Labour are trying to draw attention to the need for more mitigation in schools:

Labour (@UKLabour) has today [Thursday] warned that the Government’s failure to get ventilation measures in place is pushing schools to open windows despite plummeting temperatures and causing energy bills to rocket.

www.fenews.co.uk/education/open-windows-not-an-answer-in-winter-labour-warns-as-governments-ventilation-failure-creates-further-education-disruption

No surprises there then. The government were talking about better ventilation after the last school shut down and providing air filtration units. Well, that went by the board, didn’t it?

This link refutes allegations about Starmer and the prosecution of the Rochdale grooming cases.

Deplorable that a few Conservative MPs selected sections of a video or report to deliberately mislead others about Starmer. No wonder some people on here are misinformed.

Sorry I don't know how to add a link on Gransnet but hope it converts to one when I hit Post message".

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-starmer-grooming-victims-idUSKBN22Q30F

Thank you for this link, Ramblingrose. I hope it will be viewed and clear up the misrepresentation of what Starmer actually said about this issue.

In every situation all politicians should put the country first, which doesn;t mean that they agree about what is best for the country, but that should be their guiding principle.

Kali your commens to Ellan Vannin were unjustified. Every accusation mentioned by her has been made online and refutations are very thin on the ground, so her remarks are justified, even though not true. I have however, after searching found this reference that looks at the evidence in detail. www.just-debate.co.uk/post/inside-keir-starmer-s-time-at-the-cps

so her remarks are justified, even though not true

What a ridiculous statement. How can they be justified if they are not true ?

Who would believe just-debate.co.uk above Reuters or the other reputable news sources who have done full fact checks Monica? I certainly wouldn’t.

M0nica

In every situation all politicians should put the country first, which doesn;t mean that they agree about what is best for the country, but that should be their guiding principle.

Kali your commens to Ellan Vannin were unjustified. Every accusation mentioned by her has been made online and refutations are very thin on the ground, so her remarks are justified, even though not true. I have however, after searching found this reference that looks at the evidence in detail. www.just-debate.co.uk/post/inside-keir-starmer-s-time-at-the-cps

You may have a short memory, Monica, but EV brought this up when Starmer became leader of the LP. It was completely refuted then, but EV has chosen to ignore that and repeat a malicious slander. It is immaterial that it has been repeated online. Once the facts have been made clear to her (as they were previously) she can only be viewed as being deliberately malicious if she continues with the misinformed accusation.

I will report her if she persists.

Thank you Maizie, I did not realise this. I do not give much time to political threads

I supported her being reinstated. I am sad that she is again acting in a way that puts her presence on GN at risk.

However, it is unfortunate, but true, that the number of articles refuting these accusations are few and far between, which surprises me and Kali has several times made posts that while accurate in content are often nasty in tone.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-doctored-video-fake-news-tory-mp-far-right-a9516706.html

Kali2 is correct, there are lots of articles proving that it was false news. I can only paste one per post (probably my inadequate IT skills), but will send more if people want them.

fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

I think it was spiteful and nasty
reporting the post about Starmer after the campaign on here to get this nice lady reinstated. OK report personal attacks on posters but surely you can discuss and debate posts you don't agree after all are we not adults on here.

Maudi

I think it was spiteful and nasty
reporting the post about Starmer after the campaign on here to get this nice lady reinstated. OK report personal attacks on posters but surely you can discuss and debate posts you don't agree after all are we not adults on here.

I think it was spiteful and nasty of EV to repeat a malicious lie which she had been corrected on many months ago. Lies already refuted should not be revived for discussion.

'Nice lady', my foot!

I can only agree with maizie many posters warned EV that her post was entirely inaccurate - myself included- yet she continued with the gross inaccuracy.

One can only conclude that it was done deliberately to mislead.

Ramblingrose22

This link refutes allegations about Starmer and the prosecution of the Rochdale grooming cases.

Deplorable that a few Conservative MPs selected sections of a video or report to deliberately mislead others about Starmer. No wonder some people on here are misinformed.

Sorry I don't know how to add a link on Gransnet but hope it converts to one when I hit Post message".

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-starmer-grooming-victims-idUSKBN22Q30F

I’m pleased you’re back Ellen V but please stop repeating nonsense about Starmer, Saville and grooming gangs. It’s false fake news.
It also detracts from the serious discussion about how the Labour Party should vote tomorrow.

So plenty of misleading posts on the politics forums that go unreported just because it was about the sainted Starmer and didn't suit some posters political agenda they want to shut down the poster. Vindictive in my opinion says a lot about the reporter.

Maudi there is a world of difference between gossip and opinions and untruths. Posters should all know the difference.

Maurice - your post is plain wrong. No one is trying to shut EV down. Many of us are pointing out she’s spreading incorrect information.

Apologies - predictive text struck as I posted to Maudi

No Maudi you are wrong if someone said for example Johnson kicks animals or shoplifts I would challenge that as it's a lie.

Maudi

So plenty of misleading posts on the politics forums that go unreported just because it was about the sainted Starmer and didn't suit some posters political agenda they want to shut down the poster. Vindictive in my opinion says a lot about the reporter.

Then please make a point of pointing out any posts that are misleading. We’re all willing to learn from our mistakes. And if a post is particularly vindictive report it so it can be checked out impartially.

Back to the thread. Most of the health measures are included in those Keir Starmer has been saying we should do so he can hardly turn round now and vote against them. Instead he can say he was right first.