Lord Frost has resigned

The argument has been lost ug .

Don’t make the mistake of becoming ever more extreme.

We want a stable country.

Linclass where did I say I idolise Khan? I did vote for him and the Green candidate( we get 2 votes) - the Tory candidate was sleazy and has recently resigned due to breaking lockdown rules. Tory cuts to police; CPSOs, Police stations, youth and children's’ services have all contributed to violent crime. More resources which a Tory government won’t give to London are desperately needed to boost these areas - , there are parts of London amongst the poorest and most deprived in Europe- What would be the sainted Tory solution to this?

I’m not sure I’m with you WWmk2. Being lost?
Do you mean the opinion of Frost? Or Brexit itself?

You have more than once posted your political opinion and what you would like to see happen.

Those opinions are alarmingly extreme, and I am saying that your extreme opinions would bring about a political theatre that no one in their right mind would want.

My friend works at the British ambassade in Paris and said what a horrible man Frost is.

“Lord Frost is populist to his core. A man for hire not possessing a hint of a moral compass, he promoted the Brexit cause that in his precious job he attacked vehemently, and now that the harm he caused is readily apparent he’s run away from the wreckage declaring his job is done”

Richard Murphy

I do wonder we are where we are because people are now afraid to say what they truly believe and stand for? People seem to be afraid to have the courage of their convictions anymore. people are no longer prepared to take responsibility for anything now 'full time'. It is all just for when it is convenient. No staying power. So may people are now as 'shallow as a puddle'.

love0c

I do wonder we are where we are because people are now afraid to say what they truly believe and stand for? People seem to be afraid to have the courage of their convictions anymore. people are no longer prepared to take responsibility for anything now 'full time'. It is all just for when it is convenient. No staying power. So may people are now as 'shallow as a puddle'.

They are afraid because social media/media will pounce and attack. It's not lack of staying power or being shallow. It's fear. We are heading into dangerous territory. The Social Dilemma is a programme worth watching.

Zoejory You are agreeing? Ruled by fear to 'be liked' instead of having the courage of your convictions.

To sum up, I say our education system has a lot to answer for and has done for quite a few years now.

love0c

Zoejory You are agreeing? Ruled by fear to 'be liked' instead of having the courage of your convictions.

Of course I'm not agreeing. But don't you see what's happening. One bad tweet, one daft comment and their career comes crashing down.

People are scared, (famous people), because they can be ruined in a heartbeat.

We are told that Frost has resigned over Plan B, taxes and net zero. Nothing at all to do with Brexit?

Am I alone in thinking that if he was anything of a person he would stay to see Brexit through? I can't understand how he couldn't put those issues to one side in order to do the best for his country on this very pressing issue which was entrusted to his care. Once he'd completed the task he could walk away or fight a different battle, but at the moment it seemed to me he only had one job and, having made such a song and dance of the importance of Brexit he should stay to finish it.

Also, what the heck is it wrong with Plan B, net zero and a fairer tax system? Surely looking after the nation's health, the environment and creating a fairer society for all are positive things? Says something about him surely?

My blame goes to social media.

vegansrock

Linclass where did I say I idolise Khan? I did vote for him and the Green candidate( we get 2 votes) - the Tory candidate was sleazy and has recently resigned due to breaking lockdown rules. Tory cuts to police; CPSOs, Police stations, youth and children's’ services have all contributed to violent crime. More resources which a Tory government won’t give to London are desperately needed to boost these areas - , there are parts of London amongst the poorest and most deprived in Europe- What would be the sainted Tory solution to this?

You didn’t, and I apologise for that inference. Khan has also wasted millions of tax payers money, that could have been used for better purposes. No I don’t know what the answer is, but London is better served with many things that are much better than we’ll ever have. Poor areas or not.https://www.glaconservatives.co.uk/post/sadiq-khan-s-waste-revealed

Lincslass

vegansrock

Linclass where did I say I idolise Khan? I did vote for him and the Green candidate( we get 2 votes) - the Tory candidate was sleazy and has recently resigned due to breaking lockdown rules. Tory cuts to police; CPSOs, Police stations, youth and children's’ services have all contributed to violent crime. More resources which a Tory government won’t give to London are desperately needed to boost these areas - , there are parts of London amongst the poorest and most deprived in Europe- What would be the sainted Tory solution to this?

You didn’t, and I apologise for that inference. Khan has also wasted millions of tax payers money, that could have been used for better purposes. No I don’t know what the answer is, but London is better served with many things that are much better than we’ll ever have. Poor areas or not.https://www.glaconservatives.co.uk/post/sadiq-khan-s-waste-revealed

Don’t think there was any need to be facetious .

I respectfully disagree with you WWmk2 that my political views are extreme.

They just happen to be different to yours.

What’s the betting he did resign over Brexit as he knew he was onto a loser and decided to jump ship before the shit really hits the fan.

Urmstongran

I respectfully disagree with you WWmk2 that my political views are extreme.

They just happen to be different to yours.

They are certainly different to mine!

And I would respectively like to suggest different to the vast majority, thank goodness.

vegansrock

What’s the betting he did resign over Brexit as he knew he was onto a loser and decided to jump ship before the shit really hits the fan.

Yes undoubtedly. But he needed to put the boot in and side with the loons in the Tory party.

Citing objection to Plan B is beyond the pale IMO.

Wait until they announce Plan B+ or plan C. Some Tories will be severely throwing their toys out of the pram.

I just wish the majority of Tories would grow a pair and stand up to these idiots.

We are seeing the last days of Populist Politics and unsuitable people put in powerful positions just because they take advantage of a kind of personal charisma and play on the fears of Society.

Life has taken a serious turn with Covid and we are all sick of Charlatans and Snake-0il men.

The whole world needs decent people to step up,

This

James Oh Brien
@mrjamesob
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Dec 17
I know a lot of people aren't ready to hear this yet - and I know there's still a massive majority of those people in Parliament and the media - but electing a Prime Minister on the back of the idea that Brexit was in any way a good idea was always going to lead to all of this.

Whitewavemark2

Wait until they announce Plan B+ or plan C. Some Tories will be severely throwing their toys out of the pram.

I just wish the majority of Tories would grow a pair and stand up to these idiots.

Couldn't agree more WWM. And after the COBRA meeting today I'd lay money on further restrictions being announced, possibly as early as this evening. Wait for the bleating.

Firstly, read the screen shots published with this tweet

twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1472331053775958016

Look at what Marcus Fysh says: The whole point of Brexit is radical supply side reform...

And what is 'radical supply side reform?

This on 'supply side policies':

marketbusinessnews.com/financial-glossary/supply-side-policies-definition-meaning/

From the article:

^Policies focus on three factors of production:

Labor Market: this is freed up by lowering wages. Policymakers say this makes a lower paid job more attractive. In order to lower wages, parliament needs to abolish minimum wage legislation, reduce unemployment benefits, decentralize trade union power, bring down income tax rates, and make it easier for companies to hire and fire workers.

Competition and Efficiency: monopolies must be removed, state-owned companies privatized, trade needs to be freed up, and the government has to implement inward investment policies.

(and that's only part of it. Along side this goes the abolition of Health and safety legislation, regulation of workers' hours, holidays, sick pay entitlement etc.)

The screen shots from the twitter feed are from members of the group which has been holding the government hostage, led by Steve Baker. These are the 'hard Brexiters' which Ug so admires

Do tell us Ug is this what you really wanted, abolish minimum wage legislation, reduce unemployment benefits, decentralize trade union power,

Allied of course, to legislation going through parliament to prevent protest and give the police unlimited powers..

And the group will be cheering on the privatisation of the NHS.

If we get another of these anti democratic deregulation nutters to replace Frost we will descend further into the abyss.