Lord Frost has resigned

I’m pleased not to have voted Leave.

I think that objections to Plan B are just Frost's excuse.

He's really resigned because he's been making a pig's ear of the whole Brexit negotiations business and he's been too closely aligned to Johnson, who is now a liability to the tory party.

The farmers of North Shropshire have told him that he and his fellow Leave liars have been rumbled.

Brexit is a fraud which has left them and the rest of the country far worse off.

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

I respectfully disagree with you WWmk2 that my political views are extreme.

They just happen to be different to yours.

They are certainly different to mine!

And I would respectively like to suggest different to the vast majority, thank goodness.

Erm ... I think you’ve forgotten the result of the 2016 referendum in your joy this morning! I was one vote amongst the majority.
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I dont believe anyone is rejoicing Frost resigning,we're all worried sick about who will come next and what the next disatrous outcome will be.I did hear that Frost hadn't got round to reading the whole agreement until now !!! No wonder he's buggered off .

Oh god if you’d believe that paddyanne I’d laugh out loud.
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MaizieD

I think that objections to Plan B are just Frost's excuse.

He's really resigned because he's been making a pig's ear of the whole Brexit negotiations business and he's been too closely aligned to Johnson, who is now a liability to the tory party.

Lord Frost has stated repeatedly that he is against vaccine passports, this was the only section of Plan B that he and the other Conservative rebels voted against.

So Urmstongran, when nothing that they promised you has come to pass, (because it was never going to), when everything the "Project Fear mongers" have warned you about has happened, when the country is in even more dire straits than it is now...

Will you still be boasting that you voted for Brexit, and you're proud? Will you still be posting smug little smiley faces? Because that doesn't seem very patriotic to me. Or even very clever.

But then we're not allowed to call the Leavers not very clever, are we? Shall we say misled?

whitewave, Urmston's views are representative of a large number of voters across the country and until you can learn to respect each individual voter, even if you disagree with their views, then you are helping that group to grow by the day.

M0nica

*whitewave*, Urmston's views are representative of a large number of voters across the country and until you can learn to respect each individual voter, even if you disagree with their views, then you are helping that group to grow by the day.

Did you read my post about the extreme Brexiters, MOnica? Do you really think that that is what the just over one third of the electorate voted for in 2016? Deregulation leading to appalling conditions for people in employment? Privatisation? Repressive laws?

If that is what Ug wants, and represents, then she and her fellow leave voters have no entitlement to respect at all.

Thank you MOnica for being the voice of reason (once again) and stepping in before opinions become febrile - as these topics are wont to do.

Deregulation leading to appalling conditions for people in employment?

Oh come off it MaizieD. Just ask the hauliers! Better pay, conditions and regulations on the way.

I honestly do have to wonder whether you are so acerbic in real life with people you converse with or do you just save your venomous remarks for these threads? Most unpleasant.

I feel your pain Ug. You were so optimistic that Frost would get what you want in terms of Brexit and he has chickened out. Any idea who would be a good replacement for him?

M0nica

*whitewave*, Urmston's views are representative of a large number of voters across the country and until you can learn to respect each individual voter, even if you disagree with their views, then you are helping that group to grow by the day.

Arguing against what I see as a dangerous ideology is essential.

The extreme views expressed by ug were not in the majority amongst leave voters, which of course are now the minority view.

Data shows that wage for hauliers has not risen one jot, nor have the conditions.

Maizie That is what democracy is. You need to remember their are many people would make the same kind of comments about you and your ilk.

I have never understood how the Labour Party can spend their time abusing those that think differently to them,' tory scum', I believe was Angela Rayne'rs term, and then expect them to change their allegiance and vote for them, come the election.

In any election what people vote for and what they get is never what they want. Nothing remarkable there.

You don't like Brexit, neither do I. but even if Voltaire did not actually say it, nevertheless the words attributed to him "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" remains for many the definition of democracy and people deserve to be given a fair chance to say what they think and not be shouted down.

The country voted for brexit, we must live with it and remainers are should now be much more usefully occupied trying to make it work in a way that is the countries andvantage than constantly abusing people over something that happened 5 years ago.

Whitewavemark2

Data shows that wage for hauliers has not risen one jot, nor have the conditions.

Here’s one who has ? I know from personal knowledge that he’s not alone.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58394903

monica can you see the contradiction implicit in your argument?

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2

Data shows that wage for hauliers has not risen one jot, nor have the conditions.

Here’s one who has ? I know from personal knowledge that he’s not alone.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58394903

Good for them

Excellent post M0nica

MaizieD and her ilk? What on earth?

The referendum M0nica, wasn’t an election where people didn’t get what they wanted. It was a one-off vote on completely changing the way the UK was run, with no going back. We didn’t just not get what we wanted, we got a disastrous change to the country from which there is no going back.

But you’re right, that’s what the majority of people voting in the referendum voted for. So we have to do it. But we didn’t have to take the most damaging approach that we could, thus alienating our allies and leaving us much worse off than we need to be. Just to please the extremists and the people who think the French are out to get us and always have been

So please don’t get all preachy about what democracy is and what Leavers should be doing. I for one am not going to pander to the sensibilities of the people who were daft enough to think Brexit was a good thing and are still trying to tell us that its going to be fine. One day. Soon. Or maybe later on.

We can’t change what happened 5 years ago, but we can look at where we are and make it very clear that the problems we are facing are because of Brexit and the way it has been implemented, and it didn’t have to be that way.

Whitewavemark2

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2

Data shows that wage for hauliers has not risen one jot, nor have the conditions.

Here’s one who has ? I know from personal knowledge that he’s not alone.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58394903

Good for them

Lorry driver Tom Reddy says he wants to switch careers, despite recently receiving a 40% pay rise

Maybe read beyond the headline?

For many people money isn't the be all and end all of life.

what Leavers should be doing.

What Remainers should be doing.

Oh for an edit facility...

I for one thought we were supposed to have moved on from ‘Leavers’ and ‘Remainers’.

The referendum was 5.5 years ago, for goodness sake.

Rightly or wrongly, whatever anyone thinks, that is IT!

Did you read my post at all Calendargirl?

Doesn't appear so...