Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

Whitewavemark2

Not convinced yet that Epstein was.

No, the circumstances were odd.

Brilliant news

Not convinced yet that Epstein was.

You keep repeating this, why? You know it is nonsense, in fact the very recent series about Margaret Duchess of Argyll disproves your theory. I agree that GM had a strange upbringing, as did all of the Maxwell children, but not every child with a domineering and bullying Father starts procuring children for their lover to abuse.

GillT57 if I thought it nonsense I wouldn’t repeat it. I agree not every child who has a strange upbringing procures teenagers, and not every child who has a strange upbringing
allows themselves to be abused teenagers.

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GrannyGravy13

I hope she names the men involved…

Me too but I doubt that she will.

She might as part of plea bargaining.

Or she may decide she's safer in prison.

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GrannyGravy13

I hope she names the men involved…

Me too but I doubt that she will.

She might as part of plea bargaining.

This link takes you to a long article on Ghislaine Maxwell, I didn't realise quite how dreadful her childhood was, or how deep was the spell her father cast on her.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59733623

GrannyGravy13

I hope she names the men involved…

Me too but I doubt that she will.

Wealthy women can be as abused as poor women. When a girl from a poor home suffers sexual abuse and then grows up to be complicit in abusing others, everybody understands.

These things do not change when the parents are rich. I have often wondered why Ghislaine Maxwell has never married, but I have a friend who had a father with a bigger than average personality (but actually a really nice and decent man) and she absolutely adored him. She too has never married, having spent her childhood in thrall to this loving and good father, who died when she was in her 20s, no other man she has met has ever matched up to him.

Unfortunately, for Ghislaine, the monster that was Philip Epstein did live up to the monster that was Robert Maxwell and she was pre-programmed to keep him happy to keep his 'love' for her.

However, I will keep saying, no understanding of what brought her to her present situation, justifies what she did.

Anniebach

Doesn’t matter what her childhood was like she was wealthy,
childhood abuse only matters if the victim is poor

You keep repeating this, why? You know it is nonsense, in fact the very recent series about Margaret Duchess of Argyll disproves your theory. I agree that GM had a strange upbringing, as did all of the Maxwell children, but not every child with a domineering and bullying Father starts procuring children for their lover to abuse. I am glad that the verdict has been reached, and like Urmstongran I hope that a few old grey haired men are having sleepless nights. I do wonder if, given the guilty verdict with a potentially very long sentence, she will now divulge a few names, she has nothing to lose now. I really, really hope so, I would like to see a few careers and marriages ruined for what they knowingly did to other people's daughters. Carole Cadwallader summed it up very neatly on twitter when she said the only difference between Maxwell/Epstein and the Bradford/Rotherham/Oxford abuse cases was it was yachts and private planes instead of taxis and luxury houses rather than kebabs and vodka. Same crimes, same victims.

Honestly that doesn't surprise me Dickens, I work in a very male dominated industry and they way some of them talk about women and sex would make anybodies toes curl. I think they forget I can hear them sometimes.

I'm pleased she was found guilty I would imagine a protective ring is already forming around Andrew. He'll be knee deep in lawyers.

Why on earth was Prince Andrew ever involved with this couple? Bad judgement?

What MissAdventure says and bad judgement as well.

They all thought they were above the law. I hope Andrew finds he is not.

For the same reasons other rich and powerful men were, I'd imagine.

I have the same opinion as Lesley60. I thought money and power would get her off. I really hope if Maxwell needs some sort of legal appeal, she will then start singing like a canary. Many rich and powerful people were in their circle. Why on earth was Prince Andrew ever involved with this couple? Bad judgement?

He sounds a dangerous man Dickens.

In 1885, supporting the bill to raise the age of consent to 13(!!), a campaigning editor of the Pall Mall Gazette, William Stead, published a series of articles highlighting the abhorent trade of child prostitution/slavery and actually purchased a child, Elizabeth Armstrong, to illustrate the prevailing ease and attitude of our privileged "betters". (I remember a BBC documentary where one of the honourable members of Parliament was bemoaning the fact that their sons would have nothing to practice on if this hated and contested bill became law.)
Sadly, William Armstrong's expose caused a furore among the elite and he lost his job as a result.

To some extent I think this attitude among some men still exists.

When they talk, glibly, about a woman's right to choose to work in the sex industry if that's what she wants to do, I don't think they are concerned with female emancipation or this so-called 'empowerment', it's rather that they think they have some inalienable right to a woman's body and are alarmed that women might choose not to become a prostitute. Or a certain 'type' of woman... this is not an occupation they would recommend to their own daughters.

I actually had this argument with a man (in a well-respected newspaper) some years ago when he told me in no uncertain terms that if my daughter chose to work as a prostitute, I should mind my own business as she was over the age of consent and it was all about 'choice' and none of my business. I challenged him and, in the end, his answer was (because I've never forgotten it) "men need sex and they should be allowed to access it". I told him that no man has a 'right' to a woman's body and he argued that if there were no prostitutes available, men would rape women instead.

I'm afraid women's emancipation has a long way to go yet.

Thank you Galaxy

No you are right anniebach, those who use prostitutes dont see them as human beings.

GM is just another perpetrator of the age old grim trade of supplying young, pure and POOR girls to satisfy the whims of any "gentlemen" with enough money to buy them.
In 1885, supporting the bill to raise the age of consent to 13(!!), a campaigning editor of the Pall Mall Gazette, William Stead, published a series of articles highlighting the abhorent trade of child prostitution/slavery and actually purchased a child, Elizabeth Armstrong, to illustrate the prevailing ease and attitude of our privileged "betters". (I remember a BBC documentary where one of the honourable members of Parliament was bemoaning the fact that their sons would have nothing to practice on if this hated and contested bill became law.)
Sadly, William Armstrong's expose caused a furore among the elite and he lost his job as a result.
So, really, thank God times have hopefully changed and Maxwell has at last been made to face the consequences of their/her disgusting, inhuman acts.

I think Atqui is right, I doubt it crossed the minds of any of those 'party goers ' including Prince Andrew, where these young girls came from or how they came to be there. As for Ghislaine, I think she was completely mesmerised by J.E to the point of worship. I was born, lived and for a while worked in Oxford and knew someone who was employed as a gardener at Headington Hill Hall when Robert Maxwell (Pergamon Press) was in residence. His reputation was not flattering to say the least! Horrid man.

Doubt men wealthy or not who seek out prostitutes give thought to why the girl is a prostitute

Those wealthy high powered men were so ignorant and entitled that back then they probably thought the girls had chosen that way of life, not giving a thought to grooming or procurement

Doesn’t matter what her childhood was like she was wealthy,
childhood abuse only matters if the victim is poor

Also read today that after her eldest sibling died she was ignored and became anorexic as a toddler