Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

I haven’t read a list of names in the little black books ,

I expect the plea bargaining is an attempt to force Maxwell to testify against prominent people; she is not being sentenced for six months. I doubt if they have any hard evidence to prove anything other than they were 'friends' of Epstein; their names and contact details , including Blair, Mandelson. Prince Andrew, Gates, Trump and Clinton, to name but a few, appeared in his little black books.
To me, the source of his vast fortune which no-one seems to know how he acquired, is of more interest. They had Epstein in custody and treated him unbelievably leniently; no doubt pressure was brought to bear, and Maxwell is paying the price.

MOnica yes the police know all, no powerful people have been prosecuted

Anniebach Despite her involvement with Epstein I doubt if any 'powerful' people want Ghislaine Maxwell shut up. The police have all Epstein's papers including his 'little black book' and know everything they need to know.

It has been suggested that the plea bargaining that usually takes place after cases like this, and before sentencing, is proving difficult because Ghislaine Maxwell has no information to offer on her side that the police do not already know.

I mean hysterical in an emotional sense, not a funny sense!

Calistemon

Doodledog good post.

I'll second that. Some comments have been hysterical to say the least.

I don't see anyone here 'victim blaming' just pointing out that women are not always victims. I know of one woman who likes to portray herself as a victim but certainly is not. She's a sociopath and compulsive liar, and there is absolutely no doubt that the men she has been involved with are the victims. Some posters seem to think that women are always the 'victims' of men, I can only wonder what makes them think like that. They should realise there are many different types of people in the world and not all females are innocent victims. Obviously older men abusing young girls is a different matter. And prostitutes is another matter again. Why are posters suggesting that other posters think a prostitute cannot be raped? Some real nonsense being assumed here and this thread has gone completely bonkers.

There was a foundation (mostly disbanded now) called The False Memory Syndrome foundation set up by a husband and wife after the daughter accused her father of sexual abuse. It became very prominent for a while and raised a lot of money and quite a following.

They never acheived their goal of getting false memory syndrome or FMS into the DSM, which meant it was never recognised by doctors but they acheived so much clout they even had influence over court cases etc where perpetrators were then found innocent.

This was just a huband and wife whose daughter said she would not go to the police. It is terrifying what can be achieved with money and power.

Perhaps some very powerful people wanted her locked up, she can’t write or say anything they wouldn’t want the world to know . Anyone visiting her would be checked over for any
recording device, the written word could be destroyed.

I did wonder if the jury might have been "persuaded" to find her not guilty, Iam64 ie nobbled by some very powerful, wealthy people.
They obviously had more integrity.

Calistemon, don’t regret the OP, I’m sure most of us regret the way some posters have commented.

I accept threads meander but what an unusual thing to do. To introduce the story of two sexually active ‘promiscuous’ girls, one of whom physically attacked GSM. ‘Scrubbers’ - it was 50 years ago. Is it the most powerful argument to shore up your disdain towards the victims of Epstein and Maxwell?
Maxwell had a long trial. Her not guilty plea meant evidence was considered by the Jury. The defence tried to blame the victims. It failed

It was breaking news, VioletSky so someone would have started it anyway.
I was just shocked at some of the posts.

Calistermon don't feel bad. You couldn't have known this woul happen, I wasn't expecting it at all

Doodledog good post.

VioletSky

It always breaks my heart seeing women victim blame other women but victim blaming children who cannot legally consent in comment after comment is just horrendous. .

At least just stop. You've said your bit, does being "right" matter that much to you that you are willing to cause this level of upset and offense?

I agree, Violetsky
I wish I'd never started the thread but I was just reporting the news.

MissAdventure

This thread makes a mockery of the notion that any of those women could ever accuse a man of rape and expect an unbiased, fair trial, wellbeck.

Might as well ask what a rape victim was wearing and why they were where they were.

It’s disgusting

MissAdventure

This thread makes a mockery of the notion that any of those women could ever accuse a man of rape and expect an unbiased, fair trial, wellbeck.

Exactly. It wouldn't even surprise me if some of those on here didn't think it was possible for a sex worker to be raped.

This thread makes a mockery of the notion that any of those women could ever accuse a man of rape and expect an unbiased, fair trial, wellbeck.

i used to work in kings cross, which was is a centre for women who sell themselves for sex.
none of them looked like they did it because they enjoyed sex.
most of them looked like they were far beyond being able to enjoy anything.
they were desperate for drugs.

MissAdventure

I agree wholeheartedly with violetsky

Me too

Of course there are girls who are sexually active at a young age. That does not mean that they are not protected in law, however. The age of consent still applies, and a man having sex with them is breaking the law.

If that 'man' is a couple of years older than the girl, it is understandable - it's what Nature is telling them to do - but if the man is old enough to have teenage daughters of his own (hypothetically, of course), he is culpable, and the situation changes from one of adolescent experimentation to one of exploitation.

If the man is wealthy and glamorous and the girl is poor, the situation becomes even more exploitative. If the girl is told that by giving massages to the man and his equally exploitative mates she will earn money to pay for an education she would otherwise go without, and these massages gradually go further she is being pimped, and if she then gets caught up in a world with people she believes are her friends, she is being cruelly deceived.

At no stage is the child culpable.

As for men who have sex with 'scrubbers' - how is what they are doing any different from what the girls are doing. If it is all consensual, and there is no deceit involved then presumably they just all enjoy sex. It's true that I wouldn't like to think my daughter would be indiscriminate in her partners (it is usually a sign of low self-esteem), but I would never use a word like 'scrubber'. Horrible.

Upset and offense (sic) VS? We are all grown ups I believe? Perhaps you should stop reading this thread if you are upset and offended by it.

MissAdventure

I agree wholeheartedly with violetsky

As do I.

can a child give consent to a surgical procedure; if not, why not.
examine the concept of informed consent.

I agree wholeheartedly with violetsky