Emmanuel Macron intends to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated.

Figures change on a daily basis Alegrias1. Hospital admissions will vary from one hospital to the next. The percentage of vaccinated/non-vaccinated will not be the same in every hospital across the UK. All people are posting are figures they have seen. That may well be correct for a GN's own area but won't tally with another GN. They are not being irresponsible or misleading, just posting the figures they have to hand.

I am fed up to the back teeth with people posting incorrect and misleading information.

Suppose somebody says 80% of people in hospital are unvaxxed. That's not true. Its not true even if you are the PM or if your sister's auntie's best friend works in a hospital.

So when stats come out that say that most people in hospital are vaccinated, which is true, then the anti-vaxxers jump on it and try to say there is no point in being vaccinated and that the authorities are lying to us.

Everybody should take responsibility for making sure that what they say or post is correct and that means everybody.

Alegrias1

Being in ICU is not the same as being in hospital.

People should get their information from trustworthy sources, don't you think?

The ward I worked on was next door to ICU and was most definitely in the hospital. Where do you think ICU's are based? Anyone being treated or dying from Covid in ICU's are counted in the figures.

Josieann

Lucca

Josieann

Casdon you're right, it does contain the excrement word, but that in itself is used a bit more mildly in French than in English.

Did he say “faire shier “?

Nope, faire chier would gave been pretty vulgar!!

Emmerder is not much less vulgar!

And good on him.

According to Mr Johnson the number of unvaccinated in hospital seems to have dropped drastically from 80% plus to around 30% plus over the past few days? And most people in intensive care have not been boosted - which I assume means that they have been double vaccinated as the booster is a third vaccination! This then is another way of saying that almost all of those in intensive care have been double jabbed. Always read between the lines as Mr Johnson has already been proved to be economical with the truth....

Quote from BBC News

He said some 30-40% of the 17,000 patients in hospital with Covid "haven't actually been vaccinated at all". This is "increasingly true" of those in intensive care, added Mr Johnson, as the "overwhelming majority of them have not been boosted".

I looked at Canada's unemployment benefit program.
"Workers who lose their jobs over a refusal to comply with a vaccine mandatee MAY not be eligible for unemployment benefits".
"A fundamental principle of the employment insurance benefit program is that claiments must lose their employment through no fault of their own".
So for example mandatory vaccination applies to people working in health care, school settings etc. If a worker is dismissed because she/he refuses to get vaccinated she/he MAY not receve welfare. However a worker might be
be offered another job in the same establishment but not amongest patients or children.

Canadians must present their Proof of Vaccination and their ID at restaurants, gyms, community centres, indoor sport events wedding venues and more.
Proof of Vaccination and ID is also required by travellers 12 and over boarding domestic flights or trains.
The policy was introduced across the country from September 2021 onwards .
The vaccination rate increased!

I'm all for pissing them off

Yes Trudeau isnt really a long term thinker either.

I admire him for saying it like it is. I’m heartily fed up with people who think it’s ok to put everyone else at risk.

Many places are now saying, no pay if you have to isolate because of Covid and are unvaccinated.
Do you think they will just not isolate?

For the unvaccinated in Canada no unemployment pay will be given to the people without work.

Bloody hell. Will they just starve then?

That sounds fair.

If you think you are being hard done by, other countries are trying to lower hospital admissions. For the unvaccinated in Canada no unemployment pay will be given to the people without work. Moreover, Italy the vaccination is mandatory for the over 50s, (it has not been decided what will happen if this is flouted) and in Greece 60 year olds unvaccinated will be fined.

Lizzifish1

Totally agree! Was in Cyprus a few weeks ago. Had to show vaccine status even to get into the corner shop, all restaurants, supermarkets etc. Quick and easy. No problem. But. No vaccine. No entry. I felt very safe there as at that time, covid numbers were very low

Really? How's that vaccine passport idea working for them now then?

There's no point introducing measures that don't work just because they might be popular.

Craftygrannie you are correct about still being able to catch Covid inspite of being fully vaccinated. The difference is though you are very unlikely to need to be hospitalised. That's the major push for vaccination now.

Being in ICU is not the same as being in hospital.

People should get their information from trustworthy sources, don't you think?

Alegrias1

Theoddbird

What has upset me about people not getting vaccinated is that 80% of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated. They are taking up spaces and putting stress on the NHS.

As far as a swear word being used by Emmanuel Macron...I am sure it was done in absolute frustration. I can't understand why such a fuss is being made about it. I never swear but can understand why he did...

What has upset me about people not getting vaccinated is that 80% of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated.

No they're not. No they're not. No they're not.

How many times?

The national average of unvaccinated people in NHS beds is around 48%. However, some London hospitals have 80-90% in their wards and ICU's. The numbers change all the time and it all depends on where people get their information from.

Totally agree! Was in Cyprus a few weeks ago. Had to show vaccine status even to get into the corner shop, all restaurants, supermarkets etc. Quick and easy. No problem. But. No vaccine. No entry. I felt very safe there as at that time, covid numbers were very low

I would imagine that would have a dramatically positive impact on the NHS Jilly

The Daily Express ran a story about the above in its usual run down of things that cause cancer. One story is positive association is proven between drinking alcohol and bowel cancer. Shall we all start backing abstinence and lobbying the alcoholic drinks manufacturers?

It would be helpful to not be hysterical or to make grand assertions about numbers of people affected as though the Daily Express were a Bible and not a rag of cheap, sensationalist journalism.

There was a drug given to women in the 1960s and 70s intended to prevent early delivery but which turned out to be one of the many causes of cancer. It was mostly used in the US, France and the Netherlands and women who received are not being ignored. This is informative:

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/diethylstilbestrol

It's a long way, scientifically and medically from drugs used to prevent miscarriage to vaccination. I suppose we could go back to the Middle Ages when life expectancy was zilch but I'm not queueing up!

EllanVannin, Alegrias1 and Kjmpde and others who have given opposing views - I thank you wholeheartedly for seeing both sides doing the research, not having a blinkered view and for the courage to speak out when you see injustice. Keep up the good work. The main reason I come back to Gransnet is because of people like you. I feel that I still have a voice even if my posts are cancelled.

Einstein "never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it"

Flattery makes friends - truth enemies - Spanish proverb

Laws control the lesser people, right conduct the greater ones- Chinese proverb

My post has been cancelled as those who found my post offensive are probably running the show anyway and don't like the truth or opposing views. Just proves my point in my opinion.

tictacnana

When I was a small child I contracted polio’ from the polio’ vaccine but I am still in favour of vaccination and think that it is our strongest tool in tackling this pandemic. Macron is right in what he is advocating and his choice of language only emphasises that he means business.

Did you have the polio vaccine that was on a sugar cube tictacnana ?

Je me réjouis des mots actuels du Président Macron, which has not been a response of my mine before.

I'm also enjoying using "Macron" as a euphemism: "So and so Macrons/is Macronning/has Macronned me off ".

Ça plane pour moi, as the song says.