Emmanuel Macron intends to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated.

I have no opinion on M. Macron, do not think that swearing at your citizens is an appropriate thing to do.

This is mandatory vaccination by the back door.

I felt more and more like a leper when I saw this. Because I only had 1 jab a year ago---which made me damned ill for the whole of February, I feel as though I've been cast out of society completely. What next for me a Hazmat suit ?

Luckygirl3

Good for him! At least there is one politician who is prepared to tell it like it is and put the safety of the citizens above sucking up to voters.

These unvaccinated people are not being demonised; they are just being told that there are some things they will not be able to do, for the safety of the majority.

I am not allowed to get on a bus and wave a gun around - I am not being demonised; I am being told what cannot be done for the safety of others.

Totally agree, and really like the analogy.

Perhaps they should be made to wear badges, maybe yellow stars on their coats, what do you think?

Or all made to stay in camps, that would work.

I'm absolutely in agreement with making life as difficult as possible for those who choose not to be vaccinated. I think that the voluntarily unvaccinated should be made to stay away from other people, should have to have their groceries delivered and should not be allowed in shops, pubs, restaurants or on public transport.
It is perfectly true that fewer people seem to be dying of the new variant but they are still dying.
I also believe that publicly advocating antivaccination should be made a criminal offence. In some cases it is killing people - manslaughter in effect.
Obviously some people can't be vaccinated for one reason or anothers but their numbers are vanishingly small and they will have to keep themselves sheltered until the pandemic is no longer a threat to the vulnerable, of whom there are very many in our population.

I am very calm thanks mummer, you sound a bit agitated though.

Theoddbird

What has upset me about people not getting vaccinated is that 80% of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated. They are taking up spaces and putting stress on the NHS.

As far as a swear word being used by Emmanuel Macron...I am sure it was done in absolute frustration. I can't understand why such a fuss is being made about it. I never swear but can understand why he did...

What has upset me about people not getting vaccinated is that 80% of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated.

No they're not. No they're not. No they're not.

How many times?

Good for him!

Mamie

Piss off is the correct translation in this context Casdon. Macron also said that if you act irresponsibly that you are not a citizen. Behaving as a citizen is fundamental to life in France; if you see an accident then you have to stop; if you see someone in distress then you have to help. I hadn't understood how fundamental fraternity and the rights and duties of citizens are, until I lived here.
It is one of the things I like most about France.

Agree with you Mamie and he said this in an interview with a newspaper the Parisian.
I'm suprised he used such a word and wish he hadn't but I
agree with him. This covid situation is never ending. My
daughter and grandaughter came down with it last weekend, they are both fine now , it wasn't too serious, neither of them
are vaccinated, we've had some cross words over that.

He could have just said " if you are going to behave irresponsibly then I am going to make your life more difficult", but I think " I am going to piss you off" has had more effect. The polls show a majority approve of what he said.

Quite, no vax? No pub/eatery/cinema/ flight/ in fact no anything that involves mingling with lots of other people who have often gone against their own instincts and bravely took the medicine to try and save lives and not just their own either. I was a bit ervous but thought wtf I've had worse to protect meself and others!

Galaxy

This may be the first time in my life that I am almost grateful to have Johnson as PM instead of some other European leaders. I am sure this feeling will pass. It is never a good idea to demonise a section of society.

Demonise? Bit hysterical? Those refuseniks aren't bothered about possibly causing the death of an innocent unable to be vaxxed due to issues, are they? You don't know what you're talking about, demonise indeed!?

What has upset me about people not getting vaccinated is that 80% of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated. They are taking up spaces and putting stress on the NHS.

As far as a swear word being used by Emmanuel Macron...I am sure it was done in absolute frustration. I can't understand why such a fuss is being made about it. I never swear but can understand why he did...

I think most of France is with him on this he is a strategist and used the word on purpose so as to provoke a reaction. The word is very very widely used in spoken French today.

He's misread his room using such an adolescent term but the sentiment is sound in my view. I have one DS vehemently refusing to get vaxxed despite overtures from lots close to him to try and get him to see the facts and benefits and I'm not saying anything more as I love him and don't want to lose his confidence. BUT he really annoys me with his stupid babyish 'logic' and I don't know where the ell he got it from! To slowly and surely restrict and eventually constrict the lives of those refusing on a whim may be the only way to get them to even entertain the idea of getting vaxxed. Either they take the plunge or life - as they know it Jim- ceases to be.?!

onal = original. No idea what happened there. ?

So the pass vaccinal went through and became law last night. Apparently it also applies to travel on the TGV and other long distance transport.
I think the point is that people have the right not to be vaccinated, but they don't have the right to inflict the consequences of their irresponsible behaviour on others.
I don't see this as electioneering. From the beginning the rules have been absolutely clear here and this is a logical progression. When Macron announced the onal pass sanitaire back in the summer, about a million vaccination appointments were made by 8am the following morning. It is about understanding what works in the country you govern.

A friend of mine in her sixties collapsed after receiving her injection. She was in France and only kept alive until her adult children could arrange to fly over to say their goodbyes.
My ex-husband also collapsed on being vaxxed and was taken to hospital to discover that he had bowel cancer, from which he died some months later.
Some of us have carried out research to discover that all is not as it seems.
Why are more babies being stillborn at full term than ever before after their mothers have been vaccinated?
It has always been quite rare for this to happen, yet the mother of a midwife in an NHS hospital told how her daughter was terrified by the rise in numbers of stillbirths.
Don't just accept the vaccine, ask what is in it.

I am fully in agreement with him. I wish our politicians had the guts to do similar. I would also like to see those who claim to be exempt from mask wearing have to prove it before coming into the shop where i work. If they don't wear a mask what else are they not doing?

Emmanuel Macron intends to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated.

Good!

JenniferEccles

I suspect the majority of people in many countries would be of the view that those who refuse to be vaccinated should be punished in some way.
Equally I suspect compulsory vaccination wouldn’t be universally acceptable, so denying the refusers access to a variety of establishments seems like a reasonable ‘punishment’ to me.
If we didn’t have approximately five million still unjabbed here, wouldn’t we be in a much better position right now?

Equally I suspect compulsory vaccination wouldn’t be universally acceptable, so denying the refusers access to a variety of establishments seems like a reasonable ‘punishment’ to me.

Compulsory vaccination? Imagine the scenario of forcibly holding someone down to administer the vaccine - because undoubtedly it would come to that with some people! It's just not feasible! Denying them access to various establishments is both feasible and democratic.

I can understand and sympathise with those who are nervous about the vaccine and its possible side effects, but they are in a completely different category to the loud and angry mob of anti-vaxxers - some of whom are actually 'storming' vaccination hubs and assaulting / intimidating the staff. In one town recently, they also attempted to forcibly remove masks from those that were wearing them.

I don't want to 'punish' people who are genuinely nervous about the vaccine. But we should not be accommodating these mobs and they need to feel the effects of the full force of the Law. And they should certainly be banned from entering establishments, un-masked, and un-vaccinated.

I am right behind him. People still have freedom of choice not to be vaccinated, they are not being forced as todays news reveal people in Italy are. They are just being nudged for the good of everyone. Their choice as to whether they participate fully in the world.
Vulnerable people don’t have that choice if people around them are putting their lives in danger, they have to limit their lives.

If I thought it would work over here I’d say go for it Boris. I’m still remembering all the negative comments about him saying care home staff must be vaccinated or that we should have Covid passports.
And if he dared to swear at us . . .

esgt1967

As vaccinated people can spread Covid in the same way as vaccinated people, I don't really understand this way of thinking. I suppose I am being a bit old-fashioned in believing that you get yourself vaccinated to protect yourself, not everybody else, so the unvaccinated are only putting themselves at risk.

My boss is fully vaccinated including the booster but was pretty poorly with Covid at Christmas and so could have passed it to others even though he was fully vaccinated - as I said, you can still be infected with Covid and spread it regardless of your vaccination status so stopping certain people from participating in normal life simply because they are not protecting themselves seems rather harsh.

Some vaccinated people are still at risk. Isn’t it about 4%? So having contact with an unvaccinated person is a higher risk, as you’re potentially exposed to the live virus for longer. Two or three weeks. It’s just a couple of days with a vaccinated person, as the vaccine kills it.

Then of course there’s the people who have no choice, and can’t be vaccinated. So it’s true yes...the vaccine does ( hopefully), protect most people, but if everyone was vaccinated who could be, the window of opportunity for the live virus is substantially cut down.

His language was unprofessional, but do agree with him. Of course there are people who couldn’t be vaccinated for one reason or another, but I would guess they’re in the minority.

Most of them are very silly to say the least. Even made Chris Whitty sad.