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When is mis-speaking actually lying to deceive?

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MaizieD Thu 06-Jan-22 12:45:47

I was listening to PMQs live. Johnson definitely said, very clearly, per week. It startled me slightly because I knew it must be wrong.

It's very easy to find the Parliament TV or BBC Parliament Live recordings of past PMQs. I'd suggest that Johnson apologists check what actually was said before coming to his defence.

The thing that annoys me about the PM making a constant series of lying statements in parliament and failing to correct the record, either voluntarily or by sanction, is that future historians will use the Hansard record as a reliable source and could take what he says as being the truth.

Though, with Johnsons lifelong and well documented record of being a complete stranger to the truth they may be very cautious about his contribution to parliamentary discourse...

JaneJudge Thu 06-Jan-22 12:42:38

did you watch politics live in the afternoon? I don't know who the bloke was (MP or otherwise) but he said the solution is people take on a second job or they work longer hours or retrain in another field!

growstuff Thu 06-Jan-22 12:39:42

MOnica Claiming that the benefit is per week couldn't be misinterpreted as any other kind of truth.

I have no idea how he gets away with it - again and again.

CvD66 Thu 06-Jan-22 12:38:55

lemongrove The PM made the incorrect statement about Warm House discount TWICE. A mumble - I think not!
When challenged with proof over his statement that he had never said "fears about inflation were unfounded", his actions were sufficient for the speaker to halt him.
When will you admit the emperor wears no clothes?

Lucca Thu 06-Jan-22 12:33:03

Definitely said per week

M0nica Thu 06-Jan-22 12:32:22

Well given that the current PM has had a reputation for being an egregious and serial liar all his life, the fact that he does so in parliament is hardly worth mentioning as lying, to him, is as natural as breathing, he does it all the time.

The big question is: why, after 30 or more years of lying in the public sphere, does anyone believe a word he says, on anything, let alone vote for him personally to be PM and party leader or as their constituency MP.

On the whole, while most politicians will put a gloss on things, I do not think they are necessarily liars. My lie, may be your fact, merely because you believe it, true or not.

The problem is that both parties have/have had leaders, with such low moral standards that they have poisoned all political discourse in the country and tainted all politicians regardless of their probity or politcal views.

growstuff Thu 06-Jan-22 12:29:53

lemongrove

How do you know he stood up with the intention of walking out? The PM has to stand up to answer a question.
Did you mis hear the £140 for Winter as a week, he does mumble a lot.
VAT may yet be cut.

This is the link to yesterday's PMQs:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqlTlEVcJiQ

It's at 8 minutes 13 seconds and certainly sounds like per week to me.

A VAT cut is a blunt instrument which would help those who spend most on fuel.

Lucca Thu 06-Jan-22 12:23:15

And

Lucca Thu 06-Jan-22 12:21:05

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Lucca Thu 06-Jan-22 12:18:54

Lemongrove you must be a great person to have on side, always straight in there with a defence

lemongrove Thu 06-Jan-22 12:15:50

How do you know he stood up with the intention of walking out? The PM has to stand up to answer a question.
Did you mis hear the £140 for Winter as a week, he does mumble a lot.
VAT may yet be cut.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Jan-22 11:59:28

If you don’t believe politicians, how on earth do you decide who to vote for, if they can’t be believed?

Septimia Thu 06-Jan-22 10:59:30

I don't often believe politicians anyway. It really depends on who is speaking and what the circumstances are.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Jan-22 10:38:12

It never stops.

CvD66 Thu 06-Jan-22 10:31:40

Yesterday in PMQs the Prime Minister knowingly gave a series incorrect answers. Among other untruths he claimed that:
- he never said inflation fears were ‘unfounded’. He actually said this on Sky in October (see below).
- Warm House Discount is £140 per week - said twice. It is £140 per winter.
- he wont cut VAT on energy bills yet he originally gave this as grounds to leave EU . Spain has recently cut their vat
- economic inequality is down - no, it is up and child poverty has also increased! As PM he will be regularly briefed on these figures.
On the incorrect statement about inflation he was called out by Rayner who quoted the Sky interview and asked him if he would like to correct the record. (A normal Parliamentary practice when an error has been made) In silence he stood up with the intention of walking out until restrained by the Speaker who ended this item!
How can we ever believe our politicians when the PM repeatedly lies to the country. What example does this give our young people?