When is mis-speaking actually lying to deceive?

It never stops.

I don't often believe politicians anyway. It really depends on who is speaking and what the circumstances are.

If you don’t believe politicians, how on earth do you decide who to vote for, if they can’t be believed?

How do you know he stood up with the intention of walking out? The PM has to stand up to answer a question.
Did you mis hear the £140 for Winter as a week, he does mumble a lot.
VAT may yet be cut.

Lemongrove you must be a great person to have on side, always straight in there with a defence

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lemongrove

How do you know he stood up with the intention of walking out? The PM has to stand up to answer a question.
Did you mis hear the £140 for Winter as a week, he does mumble a lot.
VAT may yet be cut.

This is the link to yesterday's PMQs:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqlTlEVcJiQ

It's at 8 minutes 13 seconds and certainly sounds like per week to me.

A VAT cut is a blunt instrument which would help those who spend most on fuel.

Well given that the current PM has had a reputation for being an egregious and serial liar all his life, the fact that he does so in parliament is hardly worth mentioning as lying, to him, is as natural as breathing, he does it all the time.

The big question is: why, after 30 or more years of lying in the public sphere, does anyone believe a word he says, on anything, let alone vote for him personally to be PM and party leader or as their constituency MP.

On the whole, while most politicians will put a gloss on things, I do not think they are necessarily liars. My lie, may be your fact, merely because you believe it, true or not.

The problem is that both parties have/have had leaders, with such low moral standards that they have poisoned all political discourse in the country and tainted all politicians regardless of their probity or politcal views.

Definitely said per week

lemongrove The PM made the incorrect statement about Warm House discount TWICE. A mumble - I think not!
When challenged with proof over his statement that he had never said "fears about inflation were unfounded", his actions were sufficient for the speaker to halt him.
When will you admit the emperor wears no clothes?

MOnica Claiming that the benefit is per week couldn't be misinterpreted as any other kind of truth.

I have no idea how he gets away with it - again and again.

did you watch politics live in the afternoon? I don't know who the bloke was (MP or otherwise) but he said the solution is people take on a second job or they work longer hours or retrain in another field!

I was listening to PMQs live. Johnson definitely said, very clearly, per week. It startled me slightly because I knew it must be wrong.

It's very easy to find the Parliament TV or BBC Parliament Live recordings of past PMQs. I'd suggest that Johnson apologists check what actually was said before coming to his defence.

The thing that annoys me about the PM making a constant series of lying statements in parliament and failing to correct the record, either voluntarily or by sanction, is that future historians will use the Hansard record as a reliable source and could take what he says as being the truth.

Though, with Johnsons lifelong and well documented record of being a complete stranger to the truth they may be very cautious about his contribution to parliamentary discourse...

Let’s face it, Mr Johnson has not mastered his brief. To be a successful PM he needs to actually know the details of the policies he implements. He is out of his comfort zone in situations where a display of his considerable wit isn’t met with a hearty chuckle. He is not the man for the job and it shows.

sorry my post was relating to fuel bills
You can check what he says in PMQs on the politics live twitter page

WWM - that's the problem! And I did say I often don't believe politicians, not that I never do.

So, to choose who to vote for I look at their track record, their response to constituents, what they've done for the local area etc., not what they say on television.

You'd have to have two or three jobs to keep up with the cost of living now. How some folk manage I don't know !

Give Angela Rayner a chance to speak up for those who are less fortunate , as the others seem to be on a different wave-length.

MOnica Thank you for your points. While I agree most politicians put a gloss on things, I do believe the PM has a responsibility to stick to the truth - or avoid the topic.
Provable facts should be challenged when incorrect. Down right mistruths are deceiving. Statements on facts like economic inequities (and child poverty) being lower when they are in fact higher, are deliberately, and I would suspect deliberately, misleading.
These low moral standards should not be accepted. We should call out these lies when we see them! In this way we can make our MPs realise we care about truth!

JaneJudge

did you watch politics live in the afternoon? I don't know who the bloke was (MP or otherwise) but he said the solution is people take on a second job or they work longer hours or retrain in another field!

The solution to what, JJ?

Of course, if it were a tory MP who said it he probably thinks that extraordinarily well paid second jobs are two a penny for MPs and are easy to fit in because you get paid squillions for a few hours work per month.

Don’t be personal Lucca

It’s easy to mis hear, and was a possibility, as is the cut to VAT.
I also challenge the ‘he intended to walk out’.
I further challenge ‘knowingly’ giving wrong answers, as I think it quite likely that he either doesn’t know or forgets a lot,
He’s a rather chaotic and eccentric person.
Why everyone has to accept the OP’s thoughts on the matter as absolute gospel is a mystery to me....all things can be challenged.
He isn’t a PM with all answers at his fingertips ( be nice if he was of course) but that doesn’t mean that everything he says is lying either ( only if you want to believe that because it fits with your own agenda.)

The problem is that both parties have/have had leaders, with such low moral standards that they have poisoned all political discourse in the country and tainted all politicians regardless of their probity or politcal views.

I think that the problem is much older than you seem to think, MOnica. I have heard the 'All politicians tell lies' for most of my adult life now. So that'll be long before the leaders you are blaming.

It is both lies and not knowing what he is talking about.

lemongrove

Don’t be personal Lucca

It’s easy to mis hear, and was a possibility, as is the cut to VAT.
I also challenge the ‘he intended to walk out’.
I further challenge ‘knowingly’ giving wrong answers, as I think it quite likely that he either doesn’t know or forgets a lot,
He’s a rather chaotic and eccentric person.
Why everyone has to accept the OP’s thoughts on the matter as absolute gospel is a mystery to me....all things can be challenged.
He isn’t a PM with all answers at his fingertips ( be nice if he was of course) but that doesn’t mean that everything he says is lying either ( only if you want to believe that because it fits with your own agenda.)

Did you listen the link I posted?

Johnson wasn't mumbling. He quite clearly said per week.