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Is Boris Johnson revealing who he really is?

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growstuff Tue 11-Jan-22 08:19:54

This is the opinion of one New York Times journalist:

www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/opinion/boris-johnson-britain-bills.html

Whitewavemark2 Tue 11-Jan-22 13:27:57

kali yes in parliament this morning the government sent in someone to apologise for the latest party. Not a single minister was on the front bench showing support.

Johnson is done for.

Casdon Tue 11-Jan-22 13:35:06

He’s been sussed now. I wonder what the next revelation will be

LilacChaser Tue 11-Jan-22 13:44:52

I don't think he's done for. It'll just take another 'big' news item and this will be forgotten.

Oldnproud Tue 11-Jan-22 13:50:00

The apology I heard was for upset that the allegations of a party have caused.

I might be splitting hairs here, but to me, that wording really doesn't sound like an apology for actually having the party, but more like they are sorry about its becoming public knowledge and the fall-out from that.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 11-Jan-22 13:51:15

LilacChaser

I don't think he's done for. It'll just take another 'big' news item and this will be forgotten.

I meant with his party - not necessarily the country at large.

He was warned by the 1922 before Christmas - no more scandals, corruption etc.

If he doesn’t go soon, the May elections will almost certainly see him off.

Kali2 Tue 11-Jan-22 14:22:41

Whitewavemark2

kali yes in parliament this morning the government sent in someone to apologise for the latest party. Not a single minister was on the front bench showing support.

Johnson is done for.

Indeed. This made me laugh (well you have to ...otherwise!)

Tense days ahead as Boris Johnson waith to find out if enquiry ordered by Boris Johnson finds Boris Johnson attended a party at Boris Johnson's home

From HIGNFU!

LilacChaser Tue 11-Jan-22 14:27:05

Whitewavemark2

Possibly. Time will tell. Perhaps he'll do something heroic in the meantime smile.

BlueBelle Tue 11-Jan-22 14:33:46

Brexit and Johnson have both ruined this country and for anyone to say they ‘lent him a vote to get brexit done’ makes me feel sick …..
thanks a million fir ruining this country

MaizieD Tue 11-Jan-22 14:42:05

Whitewavemark2

Can those bills be repealed when we have a different government?

I don’t see why not?

TBH, I don't know how easy it would be.

Certainly no parliament can bind another.

FannyCornforth Tue 11-Jan-22 14:47:10

I joined The Labour Party today! smile
Just wanted to share.
I used to be totally non partisan; I have voted Labour, Lib Dem, Green and Conservative (once, for Mrs May, when no one else did) in the past.

Wheniwasyourage Tue 11-Jan-22 14:48:26

What worries me (and I know others have said the same already) is what comes next. Johnson is the devil we know, but there are some sinister people, some with more intelligence - and therefore more dangerous - in the background. Michael Gove (who is trying to appear concerned about cladding and all smiley just now) for one. Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak, etc. Oh dear.

As MayBe70 says, the good possibilities have all been chased out. sad angry confused

Wheniwasyourage Tue 11-Jan-22 14:49:26

Sorry, MayBee70, missed out an e.

GillT57 Tue 11-Jan-22 15:02:08

But when it comes to Brexit, no, if you voted for this s**tshow and the charlatan who promised to get it done, then you are to blame for helping ruin this country. A bit of contrition would go a long way. I heartily agree with this sentiment. I am one of the many who was told time after time after time that I need to accept the 'will of the people', to 'get over it', to stop going over this and just accept it, and you know what? I will not, those of you who voted for this, those of you who sneered and belittled those of us who voted Remain, who told us we were unpatriotic, well you can own this man, you put him there, not me. THIS IS YOUR FAULT

Ilovecheese Tue 11-Jan-22 15:26:06

Do you think that the people who voted for Johnson in the so called "red wall" seats, who gave the Conservatives their big majority, would be likely to vote for a party dominated by the ERG type people?
If they had until then voted Labour, they are surely not of the sort of mind set that the ERG appeals to?

MayBee70 Tue 11-Jan-22 15:26:28

FannyCornforth

I joined The Labour Party today! smile
Just wanted to share.
I used to be totally non partisan; I have voted Labour, Lib Dem, Green and Conservative (once, for Mrs May, when no one else did) in the past.

I rejoined yesterday. Have been meaning to do so for ages without getting round to it. This was the final shove that I needed. DH has rejoined the LibDems, too. I must also give some money to the Good Law Society, too. Democracy is at stake here.

Kali2 Tue 11-Jan-22 15:29:14

Yes, conributed again to the Good Law Society yesterday.

Is there any Law that says you are not allowed to be a member of two parties. I have supported both the Lib Dems and Labour in the Past- and would like to rejoin Labour, without giving up support to Lib Dems.

growstuff Tue 11-Jan-22 15:32:39

Ilovecheese

Do you think that the people who voted for Johnson in the so called "red wall" seats, who gave the Conservatives their big majority, would be likely to vote for a party dominated by the ERG type people?
If they had until then voted Labour, they are surely not of the sort of mind set that the ERG appeals to?

I'm not so sure. Some of the new "red wall" MPs are members of the ERG or support it. Some of the new Tory voters would have voted UKIP, if they'd been given the choice.

silverlining48 Tue 11-Jan-22 15:43:23

I didn’t vote for him but wrote to my MP today. Assume he doesn’t know if I did or didn’t, not that it matters.
I am not an angry person but have been feeling unusually angry lately, so thought I would let him know that one is not amused.

MayBee70 Tue 11-Jan-22 15:48:35

silverlining48

I didn’t vote for him but wrote to my MP today. Assume he doesn’t know if I did or didn’t, not that it matters.
I am not an angry person but have been feeling unusually angry lately, so thought I would let him know that one is not amused.

We all need to do that. And also thank MP’s that do behave honourably even if we aren’t in their constituency. They don’t have to reply but quite often do and are grateful for some support, especially if they are breaking the party whip.

silverlining48 Tue 11-Jan-22 15:56:56

Sadly I don’t think ours steps out of line unfortunately, hence the reason I wrote. To let him know we do not all agree with the party line.
More than happy to congratulate /thank when or if appropriate.
It’s easy to contact a MP, google and email pops up.

MaizieD Tue 11-Jan-22 16:00:53

Ilovecheese

Do you think that the people who voted for Johnson in the so called "red wall" seats, who gave the Conservatives their big majority, would be likely to vote for a party dominated by the ERG type people?
If they had until then voted Labour, they are surely not of the sort of mind set that the ERG appeals to?

I think that they wouldn't realise just what the ERG represents. I'm sure most of the red wall voters would be horrified at their plans for getting rid of things like the minimum wage, statutory sick pay, holiday entitlement etc. Or lower benefits.. That's the EU 'red tape the ERG want to get rid of. But the ERG weren't going to let them know that..

Kali2 Tue 11-Jan-22 16:21:00

Nick Ferrari on LBC

'It seems he's so bent he can't lie straight in bed': Nick Ferrari savages PM over parties''

Ilovecheese Tue 11-Jan-22 16:27:48

MaizieD
Wouldn't it be a good idea if Keir Starmer pointed out the aims of the ERG to the people in the red wall seats.?

growstuff yes, I suppose you are right about people wanting to vote for UKIP, but we have left the EU now, surely Keir Starmer could point out that the Tories have served their purpose, and not let the Tories get away with their "levelling up" waffle.

lemongrove Tue 11-Jan-22 16:53:13

GillT57

^But when it comes to Brexit, no, if you voted for this s**tshow and the charlatan who promised to get it done, then you are to blame for helping ruin this country. A bit of contrition would go a long way^. I heartily agree with this sentiment. I am one of the many who was told time after time after time that I need to accept the 'will of the people', to 'get over it', to stop going over this and just accept it, and you know what? I will not, those of you who voted for this, those of you who sneered and belittled those of us who voted Remain, who told us we were unpatriotic, well you can own this man, you put him there, not me. THIS IS YOUR FAULT

???
Oh Gill your best angriest post ever.
Look, the over 17 million voters who voted to leave the EU did not do that simply to annoy you, they were offered the vote and they took it. Democracy in action.
Johnson won’t be PM forever, in fact he may well be out by Easter.
He was the only hope to complete the Brexit process, that’s his
One real abiding glory ( although I don’t think he did too badly with the Covid crisis either.) No contrition from me that’s for sure!
A better PM will be along shortly taking us to the next GE in a couple of years.

Casdon Tue 11-Jan-22 17:18:07

For ‘glory’ read: Government Lies Outwitted & Robbed You.