Johnson today and PMQs! ⁉️

To suggest that NHS staff would pretend that he was more seriously ill than he was is insulting their integrity. For goodness sake, devote your energies to condemning him for the things he has done wrong, not this.

Yes, absolutely.

I was angry at the time about the medical staff at St Thomas's being thought of as liars on this forum and it is wrong to start stirring this up again.

There's enough to get annoyed about without insulting the NHS staff.

I was called in, lemongrove, and could hear the man in the next cubicle who I'm sure deliberately knocked things on to the floor, food he didnt like, his water jug etc and was swearing and cussing the nurses who were endlessly patient with him.

I do agree with Urmstongran et al on this. It’s one of the most stupid conspiracy theories I’ve heard. It is frankly ridiculous to suggest that Boris’ condition was faked in some way when he got Covid. He would not have been admitted to ITU unless he was in need of intensive monitoring. That doesn’t mean artificial respiration for every patient. To suggest that NHS staff would pretend that he was more seriously ill than he was is insulting their integrity. For goodness sake, devote your energies to condemning him for the things he has done wrong, not this.

Calistemon

^Make if that what you will^

Some patients can be shockingly abusive towards the staff, I heard some when I was allowed to visit DH a couple of times. It makes you want to weep.

Yes, that too,
I was just grateful, as am sure you were too for all they were doing, but I did hear that there are often confrontations.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

But both nurses have now left the NHS here and one of them has said she left because of the lack of respect given to NHS staff. Make if that what you will.

Maybe they have returned home, I think I read somewhere that they were from Australia/New Zealand?

One was from New Zealand, the other from South America.

She gave an interview saying it was lack of respect that made her leave.

Many nurses and doctors leave the NHS Maybee so I don’t make anything of it, they leave for all sorts of reasons, more money elsewhere, better lifestyle and since Covid struck I think a lot of nurses, particularly in ICU’s feel they can’t take any more death.

Make if that what you will

Some patients can be shockingly abusive towards the staff, I heard some when I was allowed to visit DH a couple of times. It makes you want to weep.

MayBee70

But both nurses have now left the NHS here and one of them has said she left because of the lack of respect given to NHS staff. Make if that what you will.

Maybe they have returned home, I think I read somewhere that they were from Australia/New Zealand?

But both nurses have now left the NHS here and one of them has said she left because of the lack of respect given to NHS staff. Make if that what you will.

lemongrove and Cali what a traumatic time you both had with your husbands in ICU. I’m pleased to hear they got better and came out of hospital. As Boris did.

There are so many Boris haters on here they willingly subscribe to any conspiracy theories about his time in hospital.

I mentioned up thread he looked very poorly on the steps of No 10 the night he was admitted. He looked rough. Some posters gleefully posted that alcoholics look similar.

Others want to pin those ICU nurses to ‘reveal all’ as they don’t believe he was ill.

Haters are gonna hate it seems.

lemongrove (((hugs)))

I agree with you that the internet is responsible for wild conspiracy theories on all kinds of topics.

To accuse NHS staff of untruthfulness regarding the PM and his Covid experience leaves me lost for words.

lemongrove

Not long before Johnson was in the ICU and very ill, my DH was too( different hospital) and I can assure you that nobody in there is sitting up looking at a laptop! Have all these conspiracy theorists ever been in an ICU?
My DH was certainly well enough to pop out into the garden a month later for a drink...it’s not running a marathon after all.
He wasn’t fully recovered for quite a while but is 20 years older than Johnson in any case.

Ditto with my DH, lemongrove, but not with Covid.
I took his phone in but he couldn't use it, obviously. Even when they took him off the ventilator he could barely use it for quite some time.

I read on another thread about packing a bag ready for hospital in case of Covid that someone suggested packing knitting or embroidery and books and snorted in disbelief.

If you're well enough to sit up and do knitting or embroidery you're well enough to go home.

I was only repeating things I had read on Twitter, remarking on his miraculous recovery, so marvellous that we now know he was able to pop out into the garden for a drink within a month or so of being gravely ill

And I posted about someone I know who worked in the ICU at St Thomas's and the fact that, whilst medical staff do not discuss their patients, they are not generally liars.

FannyCornforth

Hello Urms I hope that wasn’t directed at me, but no, I wouldn’t like my stays in hospital discussed (mind you, I’ve mentioned DH’s often enough).
I was just intrigued about what others were hinting at.
I’m still intrigued to be honest

No it wasn’t Fanny sorry if it came across that way.

Thanks Jennifer yes, the relief was enormous.

Thank you Gill yes, it was an awful time.
Unfortunately conspiracy theorists, although being around for a long time, seem to have multiplied thanks to the Internet and how they can now spread wild fancies.We owe it to our own good sense not to be taken in by them.

What a dreadful time for you and your husband lemongrove and what a huge relief it must have been when he recovered.

I am sorry to hear off your DH's illness lemongrove, it must have been a very worrying time for you. The point I am trying to make is that due to Johnson's history of telling lies, it is understandable how conspiracy theories that he wasn't really ill with covid19 have sprung up.

Ventilators are not used for everyone in ICU either.
I can understand people disliking Johnson but not for giving in to daft fantasies.ICU staff don’t lie about the patients in there, and you don’t get taken in there unless seriously ill.
Many never come out alive, but thankfully some do.
Three out of the six or seven in there died whilst my DH was there.I was given a booklet by the staff the minute he was taken in there which says ‘your loved one may sadly die, but rest assured we will do all we can’ ( not exact words, I was in a bit if a state and can’t be exact) but it was enough of a shock at the time.You are given all their personal possessions in a little bag too, their watch, wallet, pens, ring, etc.

Not long before Johnson was in the ICU and very ill, my DH was too( different hospital) and I can assure you that nobody in there is sitting up looking at a laptop! Have all these conspiracy theorists ever been in an ICU?
My DH was certainly well enough to pop out into the garden a month later for a drink...it’s not running a marathon after all.
He wasn’t fully recovered for quite a while but is 20 years older than Johnson in any case.

I was only repeating things I had read on Twitter, remarking on his miraculous recovery, so marvellous that we now know he was able to pop out into the garden for a drink within a month or so of being gravely ill, very unlike the reports of other people's recovery from covid19 that's for sure. The problem is that he has lost credibility, that's what happens to liars; nobody believes them when they tell the truth.

Ah. So the conspiracy theory is that he wasn't actually ill?

I couldn't possibly know that, but Trump got well very quickly too, and I think he was given the antibody treatment that is now being offered to those who are judged likely to respond to it? I had assumed that Johnson was given the same treatment, which back then would have been in short supply (it is still not routinely given) and it might have looked bad if it had got out that he had been given special treatment when others were dying in their thousands. Pure speculation though.

I'd want evidence of him having a 50/50 chance ,the man is a liar and all his mates in goverment back him up
.I dont know anyone who had a 50/50 chance who got out of intensive care as fast as he did ,there were reports he was sitting up and on his laptop .Hardly deaths door!!
Of course around the time he says he was seriously ill we had 12 deaths of friends and family and friends family ,so forgive me for being suspicious but its his MO to lie .It was just another hiding in a fridge alternative ,if things get too hot HIDE

Doodledog
The fact that he wasn’t on a ventilator was mentioned, I don’t know if that’s relevant, or indeed true.
I know that he was given a 50/50 chance of survival which is chilling

We are thinking as one this morning, Fanny. I am also bewildered about any conspiracy, but would like to know what it might be.