Part of me wants him to cling on……

I could pick holes in that list poshpaws but can’t find the energy. The tattoo one was funny though!

Where do we even start?

Loss of trade, dire shortage of essential workers who returned to the EU, brain drain of highly qualified Brits to the EU and elsewhere, huge increase in beaurocracy, lowering of standards in food production, having to sell off parts of the NHS to get a deal with the USA, endangering national security, trashing of our international reputation as a country which can be trusted to keep to agreements, increasing poverty, risking peace in NI and increasing the prospect of Scotland leaving the Union.

Is that enough?

That’s just progress poshpaws. Nothing to prove it was anything to do with being in the EU.

Parsley3

Some people have very short memories. What about those posters who expressed their fears about Brexit and were called Remoaners and told to get over it, you lost. Not so many jubilant posts about Brexit these days though.

I was never one of them. Ever. ?

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Kandinsky and Urmstongran I've got two pictures for you that say all I want to say. Here they are.

varian

It is much much easier to fool people than it is to get them to admit that they've been fooled.

It takes a lot but many are now admitting that they were fooled by the brexit liars as the evidence piles up..

What evidence? Honestly, I want to know.

It is much much easier to fool people than it is to get them to admit that they've been fooled.

It takes a lot but many are now admitting that they were fooled by the brexit liars as the evidence piles up..

Some people have very short memories. What about those posters who expressed their fears about Brexit and were called Remoaners and told to get over it, you lost. Not so many jubilant posts about Brexit these days though.

We can’t all ‘ huddle together’, there’s too many of us.

lemongrove

At what point will you and others accept that we don’t care if you ‘forgive us’ or not Aleg?
We are entirely indifferent to it as we don’t know you, and even if we did it wouldn’t make a scrap of difference.
You are certainly not scary m’dear.?

??. Absolutely....I’m not quaking in my boots either. Mostly hot air behind a key board. Easy then isn’t it?

Why do you say that Chestnut?
It’s not as though everybody who posts regularly on the politics threads has the same view and they gang up on people who don’t?
There are as many disagreements between people on the left and in the centre between each other as there are with people on the right. Some posters are very articulate and well informed, so argue their corner well - but isn’t that what we want, articulate and well informed posters from across the political spectrum?

I promise not to do that ?

Exactly Urmstongran. They get shot down in flames if they put their head above the parapet, get called names and told they are wrong to think like that.

I don’t think it’s Boris or Brexit per se. I have no regrets on either. I’m not a ‘victim’ and I don’t need forgiving. By anyone.

I was given a vote in a referendum and used it. I was then given a vote in a general election and used that too. Some posters are more intellectual. I think that scares a lot of people off. They prefer to be ‘lurkers’. I’m sure they do have opinions but are shy or feel intimidated to air them.

Urmstongran

We just view things differently Bluebelle. That’s allowed.

Not on gransnet you’re not!

Even if I do then run away from these scary people!

Not me then.

I'm a sweetheart.

Oh, I know you don't care.

About lots of things.

At what point will you and others accept that we don’t care if you ‘forgive us’ or not Aleg?
We are entirely indifferent to it as we don’t know you, and even if we did it wouldn’t make a scrap of difference.
You are certainly not scary m’dear.?

At what point will those who voted for Brexit appreciate that some of us will never forgive you? Never.

You haven't voted for a bit of a change in the direction of government, you've voted for an irreversible and drastic constitutional change and your reasons for doing so don't stand up to scrutiny.

So you can all huddle together and feel sorry for yourselves as much as you like. You're not the victims here.

(I think this is where you accuse me of being loud, ubiquitous and scary.)

What really interests me GG13 is why the imbalance is actually there, why are there more posters who are regularly on the N&P threads who don’t support the government than do? The debate is robust, but that shouldn’t be intimidating to people who have strong views, whatever they are, I rarely see people being rude or intimidating to others - and if they are they tend to get called out.

Everyone, especially those who ever supported this shameful PM, should listen to this caller to "Any Answers".

The caller Caroline is a GP and she is heard about 5 minutes from the start.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013h9d

Urmstongran

True GG13, true. But it’s good to try, to give some semblance of balance. These threads are often an echo chamber. Sometimes it’s good to just shout ‘hallooo!’ from the mouth of the cave. Even if I do then run away from these scary people!
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Keep going Urmstongran

I was shocked at some of the posts against those who voted to leave the EU, myself included.

Boo. ?

True GG13, true. But it’s good to try, to give some semblance of balance. These threads are often an echo chamber. Sometimes it’s good to just shout ‘hallooo!’ from the mouth of the cave. Even if I do then run away from these scary people!
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If you say so MaizieD. Hey ho.