Part of me wants him to cling on……

I don’t think it’s Boris or Brexit per se. I have no regrets on either. I’m not a ‘victim’ and I don’t need forgiving. By anyone.

I was given a vote in a referendum and used it. I was then given a vote in a general election and used that too. Some posters are more intellectual. I think that scares a lot of people off. They prefer to be ‘lurkers’. I’m sure they do have opinions but are shy or feel intimidated to air them.

Exactly Urmstongran. They get shot down in flames if they put their head above the parapet, get called names and told they are wrong to think like that.

I promise not to do that ?

Why do you say that Chestnut?
It’s not as though everybody who posts regularly on the politics threads has the same view and they gang up on people who don’t?
There are as many disagreements between people on the left and in the centre between each other as there are with people on the right. Some posters are very articulate and well informed, so argue their corner well - but isn’t that what we want, articulate and well informed posters from across the political spectrum?

lemongrove

At what point will you and others accept that we don’t care if you ‘forgive us’ or not Aleg?
We are entirely indifferent to it as we don’t know you, and even if we did it wouldn’t make a scrap of difference.
You are certainly not scary m’dear.?

??. Absolutely....I’m not quaking in my boots either. Mostly hot air behind a key board. Easy then isn’t it?

We can’t all ‘ huddle together’, there’s too many of us.

Some people have very short memories. What about those posters who expressed their fears about Brexit and were called Remoaners and told to get over it, you lost. Not so many jubilant posts about Brexit these days though.

It is much much easier to fool people than it is to get them to admit that they've been fooled.

It takes a lot but many are now admitting that they were fooled by the brexit liars as the evidence piles up..

varian

It is much much easier to fool people than it is to get them to admit that they've been fooled.

It takes a lot but many are now admitting that they were fooled by the brexit liars as the evidence piles up..

What evidence? Honestly, I want to know.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202201/medium-189251-answer-to-what-has-eu-ever-done-for-us-.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202201/medium-233694-tattoo--complete-list-of-brexit-wins.jpg

Kandinsky and Urmstongran I've got two pictures for you that say all I want to say. Here they are.

Parsley3

Some people have very short memories. What about those posters who expressed their fears about Brexit and were called Remoaners and told to get over it, you lost. Not so many jubilant posts about Brexit these days though.

I was never one of them. Ever. ?

That’s just progress poshpaws. Nothing to prove it was anything to do with being in the EU.

Where do we even start?

Loss of trade, dire shortage of essential workers who returned to the EU, brain drain of highly qualified Brits to the EU and elsewhere, huge increase in beaurocracy, lowering of standards in food production, having to sell off parts of the NHS to get a deal with the USA, endangering national security, trashing of our international reputation as a country which can be trusted to keep to agreements, increasing poverty, risking peace in NI and increasing the prospect of Scotland leaving the Union.

Is that enough?

I could pick holes in that list poshpaws but can’t find the energy. The tattoo one was funny though!

varian you must know all this isn’t good for your blood pressure.

We are where we are. Time to move on.

Coming on here poshpaws, confusing people with facts when they've already made up their minds...

I was only giving DD1975 a short answer to her question. It is the health of the nation, and the damage to the futures of our children and grand children that have been hit even harder than my BP UG.

It didn’t confuse me Alegrias. I could refute some to be honest. But life’s too short to have another go on that particular roundabout. ⛔️

Credit to Boris for acting on Brexit. He's earned his place at No. 10. We regained sovereignity through Brexit. The French are starting to realise they are losing their national identity as the EU grows in power:
www.express.co.uk/news/world/1434120/france-news-eu-eurexit-frexit-Paris-demonstration-emmanuel-macron-brexit-latest

Help with tax avoidance?

Says it all really.

My daughter is currently on maternity leave & getting paid.
The rest of the list could be pulled apart too if anyone could be bothered.

Gransnet excuse number 153b - " I have better things to do"

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

True GG13, true. But it’s good to try, to give some semblance of balance. These threads are often an echo chamber. Sometimes it’s good to just shout ‘hallooo!’ from the mouth of the cave. Even if I do then run away from these scary people!
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Keep going Urmstongran

I was shocked at some of the posts against those who voted to leave the EU, myself included.

What shocked you?

I have already posted a list of Brexit benefits and get fed up being constantly asked for them again by the same people. It's like Groundhog Day on here. I also believe we are still in the process of leaving the EU. It's not a sprint it's a marathon (to quote PA's lawyers!) and it may take several years to see the full benefits.
Just to complicate matters, the list above was from another world, the pre-covid world we used to live in. Everything has shifted and changed since then and we are still sitting on a fault line which could wobble and move as we learn to live in the post-covid world we now inhabit.

I’m interested to know what the Labour backed unions ever did for workers rights?

Nothing?

All credit to the EU?

varian

Where do we even start?

Loss of trade, dire shortage of essential workers who returned to the EU, brain drain of highly qualified Brits to the EU and elsewhere, huge increase in beaurocracy, lowering of standards in food production, having to sell off parts of the NHS to get a deal with the USA, endangering national security, trashing of our international reputation as a country which can be trusted to keep to agreements, increasing poverty, risking peace in NI and increasing the prospect of Scotland leaving the Union.

Is that enough?

The only one I can really see is the loss of workers returning to the EU.
What loss of trade?
I have one son who works all the time with Europe. He was worried this would go. It hasn’t. In fact their workload has increased.
The same with my husband who takes European Research. No problem at all.
Can’t see how food standards have lowered. Perhaps due to Covid. No other reason.
I don’t know anything about National Security, but we are still part of NATO.
Reputation can change with the wind.
As I remember, most of the problems in NI have been there while we’ve been in the EU.
What happens to Scotland would never have influenced my vote.