Part of me wants him to cling on……

DiscoDancer1975

As many of you are saying Brexit isn’t done yet, how can we Brexiteers possibly write a list of the good it’s done?!

Well, one of the benefits touted by leave was that the government could cut VAT on energy if we left the EU. But, faced by a huge hike in energy prices that will cripple many households, the government last week voted against cutting VAT on energy.

MayBee70

DiscoDancer1975

As many of you are saying Brexit isn’t done yet, how can we Brexiteers possibly write a list of the good it’s done?!

Well, one of the benefits touted by leave was that the government could cut VAT on energy if we left the EU. But, faced by a huge hike in energy prices that will cripple many households, the government last week voted against cutting VAT on energy.

That was a lie in any case. Sovereign countries within the EU can set any rate of VAT they deem fit.

rafichagran

Urmstongran

We just view things differently Bluebelle. That’s allowed.

Yes I agree. I voted remain, but accept people have differing opinions, some remainers have become very rude and aggressive to opinions differing from theirs. As for finding it hard to forgive people who voted Brexit, remember to are just a voter like everyone else and that attitude is very high handed.
Boris, I do think he should go, he is a liar, and his party antics were very wrong.

Thank you rafichagran for your kinder stance and reasonable viewpoint.

An update on Boris and Carrie’s refurb

I found this an interesting comment, in an article in the Telegraph today:

“One must ask who stands to benefit from the blond defenestration being talked of. Lord Adonis, the Remainer whose frankness is so helpful to the other side, tweeted this week: “If Boris goes, Brexit goes.” That is the idea. That is the constant motivation of a minority of unreconciled Tory MPs and a majority of the Great and the Good in the Civil Service, academia, the law, the House of Lords and the BBC, which is carefully managing this current story for the political effect it has always wanted.”

One must ask who stands to benefit from the blond defenestration being talked of.

The whole country. That's who stands to gain. Paranoia's not a good look for the Telegraph.

As far as Brexit's concerned, the ba's on the slates, game's a bogey.

This is gooblededook.

Brexit would never have happened, Johnson would never have become PM without the help of the BBC.

My post was in response to UG

‘Some recollections may vary’ varian ?

Lord Adonis tweets? He’s salivating I expect ...

Urmstongran

Lord Adonis tweets? He’s salivating I expect ...

You do have a nasty, childish way of expressing meaningless things at times, Ug.

rafichagran

Urmstongran

We just view things differently Bluebelle. That’s allowed.

Yes I agree. I voted remain, but accept people have differing opinions, some remainers have become very rude and aggressive to opinions differing from theirs. As for finding it hard to forgive people who voted Brexit, remember to are just a voter like everyone else and that attitude is very high handed.
Boris, I do think he should go, he is a liar, and his party antics were very wrong.

rafichagran
Yes, that’s how this forum has become, deeply depressing place to be for much of the time.

Urmstongran

‘Some recollections may vary’ varian ?

Don't you recall the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation inviting Farage onto Question Time no less than 29 times in the run up to the fraudulent referendum of 2016 UG?

lemongrove and Urmstongran it’s not easy holding different views to the majority of the very prolific posters on the N & P threads.

If you say so MaizieD. Hey ho.

True GG13, true. But it’s good to try, to give some semblance of balance. These threads are often an echo chamber. Sometimes it’s good to just shout ‘hallooo!’ from the mouth of the cave. Even if I do then run away from these scary people!
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Boo. ?

Urmstongran

True GG13, true. But it’s good to try, to give some semblance of balance. These threads are often an echo chamber. Sometimes it’s good to just shout ‘hallooo!’ from the mouth of the cave. Even if I do then run away from these scary people!
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Keep going Urmstongran

I was shocked at some of the posts against those who voted to leave the EU, myself included.

Everyone, especially those who ever supported this shameful PM, should listen to this caller to "Any Answers".

The caller Caroline is a GP and she is heard about 5 minutes from the start.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013h9d

What really interests me GG13 is why the imbalance is actually there, why are there more posters who are regularly on the N&P threads who don’t support the government than do? The debate is robust, but that shouldn’t be intimidating to people who have strong views, whatever they are, I rarely see people being rude or intimidating to others - and if they are they tend to get called out.

At what point will those who voted for Brexit appreciate that some of us will never forgive you? Never.

You haven't voted for a bit of a change in the direction of government, you've voted for an irreversible and drastic constitutional change and your reasons for doing so don't stand up to scrutiny.

So you can all huddle together and feel sorry for yourselves as much as you like. You're not the victims here.

(I think this is where you accuse me of being loud, ubiquitous and scary.)

At what point will you and others accept that we don’t care if you ‘forgive us’ or not Aleg?
We are entirely indifferent to it as we don’t know you, and even if we did it wouldn’t make a scrap of difference.
You are certainly not scary m’dear.?

Oh, I know you don't care.

About lots of things.

Even if I do then run away from these scary people!

Not me then.

I'm a sweetheart.

Urmstongran

We just view things differently Bluebelle. That’s allowed.

Not on gransnet you’re not!