Part of me wants him to cling on……

Kandinsky

Help with tax avoidance?

Says it all really.

My daughter is currently on maternity leave & getting paid.
The rest of the list could be pulled apart too if anyone could be bothered.

ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/anti-tax-avoidance-package_en

I'll assume that you are intentionally misrepresenting what this means, because thinking you really believe what you write is true would be too dispiriting...

I also believe we are still in the process of leaving the EU.

That's why some people (including me) have commented that Brexit isn't "done". It really isn't.

Chestnut

I have already posted a list of Brexit benefits and get fed up being constantly asked for them again by the same people. It's like Groundhog Day on here. I also believe we are still in the process of leaving the EU. It's not a sprint it's a marathon (to quote PA's lawyers!) and it may take several years to see the full benefits.
Just to complicate matters, the list above was from another world, the pre-covid world we used to live in. Everything has shifted and changed since then and we are still sitting on a fault line which could wobble and move as we learn to live in the post-covid world we now inhabit.

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varian

Where do we even start?

Loss of trade, dire shortage of essential workers who returned to the EU, brain drain of highly qualified Brits to the EU and elsewhere, huge increase in beaurocracy, lowering of standards in food production, having to sell off parts of the NHS to get a deal with the USA, endangering national security, trashing of our international reputation as a country which can be trusted to keep to agreements, increasing poverty, risking peace in NI and increasing the prospect of Scotland leaving the Union.

Is that enough?

Last time I responded to post Brexit problems was to highlight reports that tye UK economy hasn't collapsed but indeed a leading German banker was reported he was surprised how well tge UK economy is doing in the week Dutch based Shell announced they were mkving ther headquarters to the UK. The anti- Brexit posse dudn't want to hear and told me to start a different thread.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

True GG13, true. But it’s good to try, to give some semblance of balance. These threads are often an echo chamber. Sometimes it’s good to just shout ‘hallooo!’ from the mouth of the cave. Even if I do then run away from these scary people!
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Keep going Urmstongran

I was shocked at some of the posts against those who voted to leave the EU, myself included.

What shocked you?

Come on growstuff you have been on here much longer than me.

Those who voted leave have been told the following…

They should be ashamed of their vote

They should apologise for their vote

They have even been told they will be forever hated

They are uneducated

Little Englanders

Would you like me to carry on?

DiscoDancer1975

varian

Where do we even start?

Loss of trade, dire shortage of essential workers who returned to the EU, brain drain of highly qualified Brits to the EU and elsewhere, huge increase in beaurocracy, lowering of standards in food production, having to sell off parts of the NHS to get a deal with the USA, endangering national security, trashing of our international reputation as a country which can be trusted to keep to agreements, increasing poverty, risking peace in NI and increasing the prospect of Scotland leaving the Union.

Is that enough?

The only one I can really see is the loss of workers returning to the EU.
What loss of trade?
I have one son who works all the time with Europe. He was worried this would go. It hasn’t. In fact their workload has increased.
The same with my husband who takes European Research. No problem at all.
Can’t see how food standards have lowered. Perhaps due to Covid. No other reason.
I don’t know anything about National Security, but we are still part of NATO.
Reputation can change with the wind.
As I remember, most of the problems in NI have been there while we’ve been in the EU.
What happens to Scotland would never have influenced my vote.

No, the problems in NI are not the same as when the whole of the UK was in the EU.

Crikey Alegrias1 have you got a link at the ready for absolutely everything?

Back to Boris?
Otherwise it is Groundhog Day, as pointed out!

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

True GG13, true. But it’s good to try, to give some semblance of balance. These threads are often an echo chamber. Sometimes it’s good to just shout ‘hallooo!’ from the mouth of the cave. Even if I do then run away from these scary people!
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Keep going Urmstongran

I was shocked at some of the posts against those who voted to leave the EU, myself included.

What shocked you?

Come on growstuff you have been on here much longer than me.

Those who voted leave have been told the following…

They should be ashamed of their vote

They should apologise for their vote

They have even been told they will be forever hated

They are uneducated

Little Englanders

Would you like me to carry on?

Why does that "shock" you? Do you mean "shock", as in "surprise" or "offend"?

PS. It's true that those who voted for Brexit had lower educational qualifications than those who voted to remain. My personal opinion is that Brexit supporters do have "Little Englander" attitudes. We can start a thread on what that means, if you wish. I don't find either "shocking".

Well honestly. What a hilarious show of the poor downtrodden Brexit/government supporters saying they are shouted down and bullied. Absolute nonsense.
And as for people “lurking” too afraid to post their views ..,words fail me. Grown women eh ? I have seen strong arguments on here and I’ve seen snappy sneery little comments but I can honestly say I have rarely seen anything that would “scare”.

growstuff

DiscoDancer1975

varian

Where do we even start?

Loss of trade, dire shortage of essential workers who returned to the EU, brain drain of highly qualified Brits to the EU and elsewhere, huge increase in beaurocracy, lowering of standards in food production, having to sell off parts of the NHS to get a deal with the USA, endangering national security, trashing of our international reputation as a country which can be trusted to keep to agreements, increasing poverty, risking peace in NI and increasing the prospect of Scotland leaving the Union.

Is that enough?

The only one I can really see is the loss of workers returning to the EU.
What loss of trade?
I have one son who works all the time with Europe. He was worried this would go. It hasn’t. In fact their workload has increased.
The same with my husband who takes European Research. No problem at all.
Can’t see how food standards have lowered. Perhaps due to Covid. No other reason.
I don’t know anything about National Security, but we are still part of NATO.
Reputation can change with the wind.
As I remember, most of the problems in NI have been there while we’ve been in the EU.
What happens to Scotland would never have influenced my vote.

No, the problems in NI are not the same as when the whole of the UK was in the EU.

No, you’re right, when the whole of England was in the EU, the problems were much worse!

In what way(s) were they worse?

Kandinsky

Crikey Alegrias1 have you got a link at the ready for absolutely everything?

Yeah, pretty much.

PS. Do you mean the whole of England or the whole of the UK? As far as I know, Scotland and Wales are in the same position as England.

growstuff

In what way(s) were they worse?

Well....now there’s peace in NI isn’t there. When I was a child...so when we went into the EU, early seventies?.....I remember how bad it all was.

Is that what you meant growstuff

The seismic shock that reverberated around the UK upon the result of the referendum was so deep it is still a source of exquisite pain to many. Sadly, they do need to accept it though and move on, albeit with bitterness.

Urmstongran

The seismic shock that reverberated around the UK upon the result of the referendum was so deep it is still a source of exquisite pain to many. Sadly, they do need to accept it though and move on, albeit with bitterness.

I think people are basically scared of change, and how it will affect them. Understandable.

Urmstongran

I could pick holes in that list poshpaws but can’t find the energy. The tattoo one was funny though!

Well, that is the point. We did have a couple of 'sort of' lists of benefits of Brexit at some point, a long time ago. Didn't make any sense then, and certainly do not make any sense now, with what we know now. Which is why we do ask again, and perhaps annoyingly, again- for a list that stands up to the realities of Brexit.

But perhaps both sides can play at the 'can't be asked' (yes that's how I say it) game here.

DiscoDancer1975

growstuff

In what way(s) were they worse?

Well....now there’s peace in NI isn’t there. When I was a child...so when we went into the EU, early seventies?.....I remember how bad it all was.

Have you ever heard of the Good Friday Agreement?

DiscoDancer1975

Urmstongran

The seismic shock that reverberated around the UK upon the result of the referendum was so deep it is still a source of exquisite pain to many. Sadly, they do need to accept it though and move on, albeit with bitterness.

I think people are basically scared of change, and how it will affect them. Understandable.

That's why they vote Conservative. They want to conserve the status quo. They know any attempt to rebalance would affect them.

DiscoDancer1975

Is that what you meant growstuff

No, you're ignoring the current situation.

growstuff

DiscoDancer1975

growstuff

In what way(s) were they worse?

Well....now there’s peace in NI isn’t there. When I was a child...so when we went into the EU, early seventies?.....I remember how bad it all was.

Have you ever heard of the Good Friday Agreement?

Yes...agreed, but still no proof this is because we were in the EU. Could have happened anyway.

growstuff

DiscoDancer1975

Is that what you meant growstuff

No, you're ignoring the current situation.

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Pardon, how?