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So far, 2022 is not a good year to be an entitled white man!

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GillT57 Sun 16-Jan-22 13:22:33

Johnson, Prince Andrew, Djokavic are all having a bad start to their year. Whatever our opinions of any of them, and I am sure we vary, they have all considered themselves to be unfettered by the standards of behaviour, acceptance of legislation that the majority of us adhere to.

Pammie1 Tue 18-Jan-22 10:22:29

As far as the people named in the OP, I don’t think entitlement is anything to do with race - more to do with the privilege of wealth. If you have people fawning over you because you’re rich, your almost bound to believe that you should be allowed to do as you like and then, as in the case of Djokovic and Prince Andrew, have a public hissy fit when someone says ‘no you can’t.

Kandinsky Tue 18-Jan-22 10:23:57

Maybe more people should report these threads as I’m sure they’re ‘not in the spirit’ of gransnet.

Yammy Tue 18-Jan-22 10:25:56

Doodledog

Wow! This thread has taken an unpleasant turn.

What about" innocent until proven guilty", only one of the three men mentioned has been proven or thought to be guilty by the Australian Authorities which they were entitled to do.
We have to wait to see the outcome of the enquiries for the P.M. and what the American courts do for Prince Andrew.'
Before anyone jumps and gets nasty as quite a lot of posters on this thread are wont to do, I am not saying they are not guilty just we have to wait and see the authorities decisions.
Threads turned nasty yesterday when certain posters made comments and they are starting again today.
As for a black person getting away with things because of money and status OJ Simpson comes to mind and Bill Crosby.
We know of people with money or status and their misdemeanours because the press knows the public will be interested.

JaneJudge Tue 18-Jan-22 10:31:57

This is an interesting article which is worth reading.

Callistemon21 Tue 18-Jan-22 10:34:49

I agree, maddyone

diathena
What a nasty post.

Doodledog Tue 18-Jan-22 11:39:55

Kate1949

Doodledog I'm sorry if my post appeared rude. That certainly wasn't my intention.

No problem. ?

Dinahmo Tue 18-Jan-22 12:04:14

I think that the OP should have referred to people, rather than white men. There are people of different races and sexes who, because they are rich and/or famous believe that they can behave with a certain amount of impunity. Another example is Bill Cosby.

Some of them do eventually get their comeuppance, such as Ghislaine Maxwell, some are still avoiding it, such as Philip Green. And then there are the men who call themselves incel
(involunary celibates) who think it is there right to have sex with the woman of their choice and who take umbrage when they are rejected.

Dinahmo Tue 18-Jan-22 12:06:13

Yammy Just got out of my sick bed and wrote my post before reading yours. Great minds! I was going to mention OJ Simpson too.

Callistemon21 Tue 18-Jan-22 12:39:55

Dinahmo

I think that the OP should have referred to people, rather than white men. There are people of different races and sexes who, because they are rich and/or famous believe that they can behave with a certain amount of impunity. Another example is Bill Cosby.

Some of them do eventually get their comeuppance, such as Ghislaine Maxwell, some are still avoiding it, such as Philip Green. And then there are the men who call themselves incel
(involunary celibates) who think it is there right to have sex with the woman of their choice and who take umbrage when they are rejected.

Good post, Dinahmo very fair.

janeainsworth Tue 18-Jan-22 13:51:00

I don’t really understand the indignation about the use of the word ‘white’ in the OP.
I thought Gill was just referring to white privilege, and the fact that 3 men who have had a bad start to 2022 because of their common belief that they are somehow entitled to disregard the laws & rules which apply to everybody, don’t apply to them.
They’re all white.
What’s wrong with saying so? If they were all bald, would it be wrong to entitle the post ‘Not a good year for entitled bald men’?

GillT57 Tue 18-Jan-22 14:06:03

Thanks Janeainsworth, and for the record, those who described my post, and therefore me, as racist, are wrong and to say so is deeply offensive. The men I listed are white, why is it racist to say so? There are plenty of things going on in this country to get worked up about, this is not one of them.

Riverwalk Tue 18-Jan-22 14:12:36

I think that the OP should have referred to people, rather than white men

There is a very definite group of people who rule the roost, and in general have control over all our lives e.g. politicians, FTSE CEOs, judiciary, etc.

And it's a fair description to say 'entitled white men', because that's the demographic and a fact.

Nothing racist.

Bridgeit Tue 18-Jan-22 14:28:08

Perhaps all who write comments about such matters, should add a few more descriptive words, ie
Mr/ Mrs So & So, Tall ,rather large skinny , red checked , blood shot eyes , wrinkled ,vertically challenged, In need of a dentist & a chiropodist, & some work immediately required to sort out some rather troublesome attributes & behaviours.

GillT57 Tue 18-Jan-22 14:42:07

JaneJudge

This is an interesting article which is worth reading.

Very interesting article, thanks for sharing.

Callistemon21 Tue 18-Jan-22 14:43:50

Bridgeit

Perhaps all who write comments about such matters, should add a few more descriptive words, ie
Mr/ Mrs So & So, Tall ,rather large skinny , red checked , blood shot eyes , wrinkled ,vertically challenged, In need of a dentist & a chiropodist, & some work immediately required to sort out some rather troublesome attributes & behaviours.

As do the tabloids

eg Mrs So and So is a grandmother and is standing in front of her £750,000 house in leafy Surrey.
It is judgmental, shouts privilege and we should therefore not feel sorry for her because she was burgled.

Allsorts Tue 18-Jan-22 19:02:09

I think a lot depends on whose saying something as to whether it’s objected to, others say far more and expand on it and nothing is said.

Kapitan Tue 18-Jan-22 19:09:26

Your sick vile despicable gutter derived Marxist orientated comments make me vomit.

Callistemon21 Tue 18-Jan-22 19:10:13

Is that you, Nigel?

Kapitan Tue 18-Jan-22 19:15:46

Are you talking to me Callusmon21?

MerylStreep Tue 18-Jan-22 19:29:16

Kapitan

Your sick vile despicable gutter derived Marxist orientated comments make me vomit.

You need to get out more if you think these are vile comments ?
Btw you could at least get the username correct when replying.

Riverwalk Tue 18-Jan-22 19:32:41

You talking to me?

Pammie1 Tue 18-Jan-22 19:33:24

janeainsworth

I don’t really understand the indignation about the use of the word ‘white’ in the OP.
I thought Gill was just referring to white privilege, and the fact that 3 men who have had a bad start to 2022 because of their common belief that they are somehow entitled to disregard the laws & rules which apply to everybody, don’t apply to them.
They’re all white.
What’s wrong with saying so? If they were all bald, would it be wrong to entitle the post ‘Not a good year for entitled bald men’?

What ???!!! Being wealthy and entitled has nothing to do with your race or colour. It’s everything to do with living a rich and privileged lifestyle to the extent that you think you can do as you like. Djokovic found out that wealth does not entitle you to ride roughshod over Australian Covid rules and the people who have suffered as a result of the pandemic. Andrew found out that being a member of the Royal family doesn’t afford him protection from whatever he may or may not have done as a result of his association with a convicted sex trafficker. Nothing whatever to do with the colour of their skin.

Pammie1 Tue 18-Jan-22 19:38:08

GillT57

Thanks Janeainsworth, and for the record, those who described my post, and therefore me, as racist, are wrong and to say so is deeply offensive. The men I listed are white, why is it racist to say so? There are plenty of things going on in this country to get worked up about, this is not one of them.

Your post IS racist. These men are entitled as a result of being wealthy and thinking the world owes them something. What has that got to do with the colour of their skin. Plenty of black and other ethnic celebrities have displayed the same behaviour - why don’t you call them out ? Sick and tired of the same old shit being trotted out when it’s not relevant.

Pammie1 Tue 18-Jan-22 19:41:24

Riverwalk

^I think that the OP should have referred to people, rather than white men^

There is a very definite group of people who rule the roost, and in general have control over all our lives e.g. politicians, FTSE CEOs, judiciary, etc.

And it's a fair description to say 'entitled white men', because that's the demographic and a fact.

Nothing racist.

And you think that princes and tennis players fall into this category ? Of course it’s racist. If the same thing had been said about someone of colour the thread would have been deleted by now.

Kapitan Tue 18-Jan-22 19:46:56

GillT57. I perceive your comments to be racist. Therefore they are racist.