Cummings statement in the Rose Garden…

So you’re happy for the PM of this country to tell blatant lies in parliament?

Cummings must be making an awful lot of Money As a person on a low income I received help towards the increase expected in gas and electric recently Thought that was the government Also excellent nhs care over Christmas for cancer I've had my vaccines for free Really think the Prime Minister work hard during the pandemic he's said sorry What I don't get from my housing association home is whyisStarmer paid to ask the same questions over and over again he has had his answers There is so much more going on in the world doesn't he Care. Also watched the Labour party get petulant yesterday about freezing the BBC license U watch as little of the BBC as possible because it's so Labour biased and repetitive and it costs me more than the income O have for one week to live on Time Labour got real

I dislike all this talk about liars. How can you all be so smug that you think you know when someone is lying or telling the truth. Some say Johnson is a liar, some say Cummings, some say both, some think everyone are liars. How smug! I prefer to believe people are trying to do their best and I don't know who could have got us through this pandemic better than Johnson and those working with him. No, he's not perfect - are you!

Dickens

Mummer

Well said Dickens! The country's being hurled to hell in a hand art and still the ostriches are plunging their heads into the concrete!
I'm at a complete loss as to why some people equate the labour party with communism?!?!?! I can only think they're not well educated well read or well brought up!

... that reminds me - Cummings spent 3 years in post-Communist Russia (1994-1997). I can't remember if he was questioned about his relationships with figures in Russian politics, intelligence and security? I assume he was vetted prior to being given a senior position in government? All a bit murky...

As for the LP being a communist party, this myth has been pedalled for years.

I find it slightly amusing that a Tory government want to re-introduce the playing of the national anthem on TV at shut-down (or whenever) and are attempting to dictate that the programming content be more "British". I don't know if you've ever seen clips of state TV programmes in North Korea - ^but that's exactly what they do!^

He shared a flat in Russia with the GBN presenter, Liam Halligan. Funny old world!

good posts Dickens

Mummer

Well said Dickens! The country's being hurled to hell in a hand art and still the ostriches are plunging their heads into the concrete!
I'm at a complete loss as to why some people equate the labour party with communism?!?!?! I can only think they're not well educated well read or well brought up!

... that reminds me - Cummings spent 3 years in post-Communist Russia (1994-1997). I can't remember if he was questioned about his relationships with figures in Russian politics, intelligence and security? I assume he was vetted prior to being given a senior position in government? All a bit murky...

As for the LP being a communist party, this myth has been pedalled for years.

I find it slightly amusing that a Tory government want to re-introduce the playing of the national anthem on TV at shut-down (or whenever) and are attempting to dictate that the programming content be more "British". I don't know if you've ever seen clips of state TV programmes in North Korea - but that's exactly what they do!

still knocks the socks of most other countries leaders

Oh come off it,

Well you made me laugh there sandelf! I think most people hoped Johnson would be twice as good as he is (at least) rather than half as good - seriously? I compare him to the leaders of virtually every country in Europe and frankly, I’m embarrassed.

Cummings needs to get a more constructive interest - for his own mental health - do you think he will suddenly be content if Johnson goes? And why are we so spellbound by parties in the garden when the Public Health experts aren't. They NEVER expected anything approaching the level of compliance that was achieved by the English. Nobody expected Johnson to be half as good as he is. Nor did we expect him to be 'an upright citizen' - still knocks the socks of most other countries leaders. What you see is what you get - remember the Snake Idiot Cameron?

Mummer not a fan of those who vote Conservative then…

Well said Dickens! The country's being hurled to hell in a hand art and still the ostriches are plunging their heads into the concrete!
I'm at a complete loss as to why some people equate the labour party with communism?!?!?! I can only think they're not well educated well read or well brought up!

Call Cummings all the silly names you can come up with but - he DOES know where the bods are! And he's an extremely clever man, not an idiot . He's Wiley, sneaky brutal and poisonous.......typical choice for bojo's right-hand henchman wouldn't you say? Some of you are woefully ignorant of how the world out there works, and that's EXACTLY what the CON servatives are banking on, smearing the vaseline over your varifocals my dears....

You don't have to take it on faith, the evidence is there for at least 2 " DO'S" !!
Has everyone simply forgotten how utterly selfish cruel and cynical the conservatives are?
How they destroyed any last vestiges of industry we had , sold off all the country's assets at a giveaway rate?
Sold us all shares in industries WE ALREADY OWNED!?
Cut taxes for the Rich and useful (to them) and piled on the pressure for the desolate and disenfranchised by glibly telling them to "get on your bike" when asked how the 100s of 1000s were going to be able to earn a living after their livelihoods had been stripped from them?
Nothing changes. One rule for them. One rule for us.
Nothing changes for the overpriviledged and rich regardless of war pestilence or inflation! They're protected by their Kevlar coating of money offshore accounts and 2\3\4 homes in tax havens. Failing that they can draw on the handouts of so called buddies who will bail them out in return for a peerage........ Aah the Great British system.......

Oh 25Avalon honest politicians, that is an oxymoron!

As for Gove count me out ? complete ? worse even than Boris

Cummings has his own agenda and is just bitter. Johnson has been stupid, his wife has also done things that reflect badly on him. Should he go possibly, but let’s not forget the medía blow things up bigger than they are, also the BBC is biased. The drink do’s at number 10 were irresponsible, insensitive and should never have happened. But Mr Starmer has also been seen having drinks during lockdown, I.e The Mail reported. a little hypocritical, and were there more, who knows. Should Johnson go, let’s wait for the report , but he’s sailing close to the wind.

MaizieD

maddyone

I don’t know how any of us know that leave voters who supported Cummings are now not supporting him. Is it on Twitter? I don’t do Twitter.
I voted remain. I didn’t listen to Cummings then, and I wouldn’t listen to him now.I think he tells lies.

Those of us who have been on Gnet for the past 5 or 6 years know who voted Leave, Maddyone. We know who defended Cummings over his rule breaking trip to Durham; the two 'conditions' (leave voting and defending Cummings) pretty well correlated. And some of them are now screaming that Cummings is a liar.

Yes, those who voted Remain didn't believe the lies he orchestrated in the Leave campaign, we didn't believe his pathetic excuses for rule breaking, but now we have two liars pitted against each other, one who lies habitually, incessantly and without a moment's thought, the other who lies calculatedly to achieve an objective. The truth is in there somewhere and we have to search it out. At the ,moment the balance of probabilities sits with Cummings.

Excellent post

maddyone

^This isn’t about who voted leave. It’s about him and Johnson.^
Well said Lincslass.

It’s about believing Cummings !

People must be mugs to listen to Cummings. He’s a liar too and has an agenda. In fact it’s nothing new, all parties are guilty of lying. Starmer has been pictured necking beer in a group of people - where’s the outrage there? And as for the social problems- it’s always been bad! It’s nothing new and certainly isn’t any worse than when Labour were in, in general. There are long waiting lists but what do people expect after 2 years of pandemic?! There’s no magic wand ??‍♀️

I do not much like Dominic Cummings or all the things he has done - but do believe what he is saying about Boris. He was there at the centre of things and he is now saying he would be ready to say this on oath - no light commitment as perjury is a serious legal offence. Also someone else apparently corroborates what he is saying. I agree with those who say we need to weigh up what is likely to be true regardless of our own political leanings or whether we like someone or not.

StoneofDestiny

Johnson is a compulsive liar. Let’s not forget he has lost previous jobs because of his lying, not to mention his many relationships. He has no respect for the people of this country - he has a “I do what I want mentality, rules are for others to follow”. It was there for all to see from his Bullingdon vandalism to his sackings.
Yes Cummings is odious - but he was Johnson’s choice! Let’s not forget that. Johnson is the Tory Party.’s choice - the man they wanted to be led by.
They are an utter disgrace - supporting his lying, deceit and incompetence. You or I would never be given so many chances in our working lives -yet this buffoon goes on and on.

Good post

Johnson is a compulsive liar. Let’s not forget he has lost previous jobs because of his lying, not to mention his many relationships. He has no respect for the people of this country - he has a “I do what I want mentality, rules are for others to follow”. It was there for all to see from his Bullingdon vandalism to his sackings.
Yes Cummings is odious - but he was Johnson’s choice! Let’s not forget that. Johnson is the Tory Party.’s choice - the man they wanted to be led by.
They are an utter disgrace - supporting his lying, deceit and incompetence. You or I would never be given so many chances in our working lives -yet this buffoon goes on and on.

Sawsage2

'Dickens' far too long message to read. Cummings -

No I don’t think so, I do hope to read it but am busy enjoying PMQs

'Dickens' far too long message to read. Cummings -

Lincslass

MaizieD

Cummings was not sacked because he had the complete backing of the scumbag PM.

He also had the support of quite number of GNetters!

I said at the time (and I'm sure that others did) that he knew where the bodies were buried.

Why he's choosing now to dig them up I have no idea, but it's really time that Johnson went...

He’s chief grave digger personified. Biding his time like the obnoxious coward he is. If he had this dirt why didn’t he use it straight away, he was also proven to be a liar. Talk about pot, kettle black.

Because he is a vindictive moron feeding the frenzy of haters.

MaizieD

^Removing the PM will not make everything at No.10 bright and breezy, I can only hope that there is a plan and that it is a workable and sustainable one.^

You're right, GG13 but, as you must know, I, and other posters on this forum, take it further. Removing Johnson makes no difference at all to the direction in which this government is travelling, the direction that most people seem to be resolutely shutting their eyes to. Johnson isn't leading this government at all, he's just fronting it. I don't think there is any successor capable of wrenching the tory party away from the hard right without actually destroying the party. No.10 shenanigans are the very least of the problems.

When the elderly who need care are left in their beds until mid-day, sometimes having soiled themselves, waiting for a carer to help them up; when a harassed and stressed carer gives them 15 minutes to get washed, dressed and stick a meal in the microwave or prepare a hasty sandwich; when they are pitchforked out of hospital without any care package in place and left to their own devices; when more and more services and procedures currently available on the NHS are privatised; when disabled people have their benefits cut again, when the mentally ill find that the scant services available are cut even further; when the rights of working people are diminished and more and more people are forced into the 'gig' economy with long hours and low pay; when he cost of living increases to the point where some people cannot afford to eat properly nor heat their homes - even though they are working every day; when the food banks increase their numbers to match the needs of a growing demographic; when state pension increases don't match the rise in the cost of living; when the pension age rises but employers don't want to employ old people; when there are more homeless on the streets entirely reliant on charity with even fewer options to rehabilitate into society...

... and when you can't protest against these things for fear of being taken to court for making a noise or being considered a nuisance, and the judiciary on whom you rely for a fair hearing are to have their powers investigated and curtailed...

... then you will understand the free-market-economy and small-state. It has already begun, we are on the road towards an elected dictatorship.

George Monbiot - though I'm not over keen on the man - put it succinctly in a tweet not so long ago:

You know all those documentaries you've watched about a dictator's path to power? You know there's always the bit where you think: "Why didn't people do something? They could have stopped him while there was still time"?
THAT'S THE BIT WE'RE AT.

I'm quite sure I'll be slated for this post or be thought of as hysterical / over dramatic. I don't care and won't respond further. I genuinely believe this is the path we are on already - it won't matter if it's Johnson / Gove / Sunak or lady Truss, I think this is where we are heading. As Lord Acton warned in 1888, power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.... as a person's power increases, their moral sense diminishes.