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Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jan-22 12:06:57

Oh joy?.

Starmer on top form

Happygirl79 Wed 19-Jan-22 20:19:39

The Sue Gray investigation is a joke. Boris will tell her what questions she should ask.
He will effectively set the test. Answer the questions. Give himself 10/10 and a clean slate then expel others to take the blame
He is a national disgrace.
Put his name in Google and it comes up with 'The right honourable Boris Johnson'.
He hasn't an honourable none in his body.
We are all being taken for fools

Casdon Wed 19-Jan-22 20:10:23

Starmer is always poised, you can tell he’s a lawyer. He doesn’t lose his cool, but I’d describe him as silent but deadly at PMQ. Boris was flustered, you can always tell because he blusters, constantly runs his hand through his hair, and looks away when he’s talking to people. I really noticed it today, he doesn’t engage at all with people who challenge him, he’s like the little boy who’s stolen a sweet when the mother asks him if he did it.

MayBee70 Wed 19-Jan-22 19:47:58

Maybe that’s because they’re being so careful not to churn out anything that isn’t true. The PM doesn’t have that problem.

gangy5 Wed 19-Jan-22 19:43:49

The problem with Starmer and Blackford is their stilted delivery during Prime Minister's Questions. They obviously find it difficult to say anything original or off the cuff, owing to the fact that, they are reading from preprepared lines. Not a good look for a party leader.

M0nica Wed 19-Jan-22 19:35:19

I didn't think David Davis made the best of his moment. He would never get work as an actor, he should have declaimed his example and pointed to the door, as he said 'For God's sake go'.

Boris was lying (again) when he said he did not recognise the quote. David Davis gave him the context, and if he is the scholar of modern history (and Churchill) that he claims to be, he _must- know the quote.

It is almost as well-known as Chamberlain's quote about bringing 'peace for our time' when returning from the trip to Germany where he had meetings with Hitler and signed the 'Munich Agreement.'

GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Jan-22 19:13:36

Oops auto correct *by-election

GillT57 Wed 19-Jan-22 19:04:01

I too think that Johnson's cockiness ebullience was because he knows the Gray report is nothing to worry about.

Shelmiss Wed 19-Jan-22 19:00:21

Kali2

Are they truly happy with what Johnson has done?

I’m assuming you mean the people of Bury South? No, I’m not happy with what Boris Johnson has done. But I’m truly appalled at what Wakeford has done. He’s saving his own skin in case he get’s voted out at the next election. He’s a self-serving hypocrite.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Jan-22 18:59:12

Mr.Wakeford is one of a group of MPs who thinks if an MP changes sides it should automatically be a bi-election…

Lincslass Wed 19-Jan-22 18:50:28

Why didn’t Wakeford just resign. Voted in on a Tory win, not a Labour one.

grannyrebel7 Wed 19-Jan-22 18:49:29

If I hear that name Sue Gray once more I will start screaming! I thought David Davis played a blinder with that wonderful quote. Regardless of what the enquiry comes up with I still don't think Boris will resign. He doesn't have the integrity and the longer this goes on people will tire of it and that's what he's banking on.

love0c Wed 19-Jan-22 18:48:22

David Davis, well done! A conservative with guts. Shame he never wanted to be PM. Looks the part and sounds the part.

Kali2 Wed 19-Jan-22 18:45:34

Are they truly happy with what Johnson has done?

Shelmiss Wed 19-Jan-22 18:39:30

MayBee70

Lincslass

Dinahmo

No comments on the Tory MP crossing over to Labour? Seeing some earlier clips he didn't sound as though he would leave the Tories any time soon so he must have been very rattled by the comments of his constituents.

Yes, and let’s not forget if he stayed with the Tory Party he may well have lost his seat in May elections. Self preservation maybe?

No. It takes a lot of courage to do what he has done. It isn’t something that anyone does without thinking long and hard about it. A friend of mine, a Tory councillor, left the Conservative Party and joined the LibDems because he could no longer stomach their policies and he suffered a great deal of abuse, which he knew would happen.

Courage? I am absolutely livid about what Christian Wakeford’s done. I was one of the people in Bury South who voted for him, therefore I voted for the Tories, not Labour.

Not many are happy about what he’s done in Bury South I can tell you!

JaneJudge Wed 19-Jan-22 18:21:55

How long will Sue take?

Curlywhirly Wed 19-Jan-22 18:19:46

I also think the "wait for the Sue Gray report" quoted by numerous Tories is suspicious. Johnson was full of bravado today and I wonder if it's because he's just been given the nod that the report will find in his favour. Though how an invitation sent to 100 people with a request to BYO could possibly be a 'work meeting' is beyond me. It will be interesting to see how Sue Gray wiggles out of this one (if indeed she does).

MayBee70 Wed 19-Jan-22 18:06:28

Lincslass

Dinahmo

No comments on the Tory MP crossing over to Labour? Seeing some earlier clips he didn't sound as though he would leave the Tories any time soon so he must have been very rattled by the comments of his constituents.

Yes, and let’s not forget if he stayed with the Tory Party he may well have lost his seat in May elections. Self preservation maybe?

No. It takes a lot of courage to do what he has done. It isn’t something that anyone does without thinking long and hard about it. A friend of mine, a Tory councillor, left the Conservative Party and joined the LibDems because he could no longer stomach their policies and he suffered a great deal of abuse, which he knew would happen.

Dinahmo Wed 19-Jan-22 17:41:18

Juicywords

Mamie

Boris Johnson said he didn't know what David Davis was talking about and didn't recognise the quote. ?
I would have thought that quote ought to have a bit of resonance for somebody who claims to be an expert on British history and Churchill (Cromwell to the Long Parliament then Leo Amery to Chamberlain).

He wrote a Churchill biography as well, so there’s no chance that he didn’t know the quote.

Yet another lie to add to all the others.

Apparently Johnson's method of writing his books is to gather a load of historians around him and ask lots of questions and he takes notes. He's planning a new book and the historians appear to be reluctant to meet with him.

Dinahmo Wed 19-Jan-22 17:38:24

LauraNorderr

David Davis former leadership contender, former eu negotiator. former cabinet minister. Axe to grind perhaps? Future leadership ambition?
Todays display a non event.

No, he was impasssioned. I doubt he's got an axe to grind. Why would he?

Juicywords Wed 19-Jan-22 17:11:01

Mamie

Boris Johnson said he didn't know what David Davis was talking about and didn't recognise the quote. ?
I would have thought that quote ought to have a bit of resonance for somebody who claims to be an expert on British history and Churchill (Cromwell to the Long Parliament then Leo Amery to Chamberlain).

He wrote a Churchill biography as well, so there’s no chance that he didn’t know the quote.

Yet another lie to add to all the others.

Petera Wed 19-Jan-22 16:58:53

Parsley3

The overuse of the Wait for the Sue Gray report mantra fills me with misgivings. My cynical self suspects that it is already known that it will contain no criticism of the PM. Time will tell.

It'll be interesting - there was terrific interview with her on NI news last night. She must be the only senior civil servant who's taken a career break to run a bar in Newry with her husband, who happens to be a Country and Western singer.

Zoejory Wed 19-Jan-22 16:49:46

That Tory who left to go to Labour. Her sounds rather awful. Using the C word. I had to clutch my pearls.

Interesting how some think Keir has performed well. I am always reminded of the brilliant Denis Healey's quote, like being savaged by a dead sheep when Keir starts with his monotonous voice. . I just don't think Starmer has got it. Not sure what it is but he hasn't got it.

I would much rather see Andy Burnham at the helm.

Maybe when he stops being mayor.

Working in the CS,chatting to colleagues, there's rarely a good word to be heard about Starmer.

Lincslass Wed 19-Jan-22 16:40:51

Dinahmo

No comments on the Tory MP crossing over to Labour? Seeing some earlier clips he didn't sound as though he would leave the Tories any time soon so he must have been very rattled by the comments of his constituents.

Yes, and let’s not forget if he stayed with the Tory Party he may well have lost his seat in May elections. Self preservation maybe?

LauraNorderr Wed 19-Jan-22 16:40:28

David Davis former leadership contender, former eu negotiator. former cabinet minister. Axe to grind perhaps? Future leadership ambition?
Todays display a non event.

Kali2 Wed 19-Jan-22 16:25:29

MerylStreep

Funny old world isn’t it ( on here) when David Davis is now a poster boy of honesty when when he was negotiating with the eu he was portrayed as the devil incarnate. ?

He was never portrayed as the devil incarnate- but as a very very poor negotiator. Much much better than Liz Truss or Frost, actually- at least he realised that the 'cake and eat it' Deal, could just not be done, just like May did.