Has our country ever been in such a state?

GreenGran78

Yes Duvetdiva I note that the initial post was made mid-Thursday morning. My Gransnet email arrived at 11.01 on Friday morning. I often feel that I've 'missed the boat' as well.

Wrong thread for this discussion, but why do you wait for an email? I just go on to gransnet and look at what’s going on.

Spot on. I didn't vote Labour when I would normally have. Corban and his terrorist links refusing to condemn them etc. I couldn't stand the man plus the antisemitism. But I didn't vote Tory neither. But plenty up here did. I just want all MPs to hold decent standards. We can sack and imprison police officers for misconduct in public office but those who work in number 10 are immune not just the PM. Then the back stabbing starts. It's a dirty world in politics for sure.

This government didn't created the NHS and those who work pay national insurance and taxes. Yes it's not the same as having to pay for health insurance like other countries but we voted in a decent government and Bevan created it. That's the point. Decent politicians with standards of public office adhered to. Not the gravy train it is today with the morals of a gutter snipe. Parties at a time when the Queen is ready to Bury her husband who served this country well is frankly outrageous. Their behaviour cant be condoned. They are all in the swim. Hooray Henry's the lot of them.

MPs not MRS

It's time MRS including PMs faced prosecution for illegal activities. They seem to think things are funny. It's the mentality. Tell the public one thing but do something different themselves and that's all of them not just Boris. I'm appalled. I expected everyone to abide by the rules and the law of the land. Blackmail! Disgraceful. I'd have the lot arrested.

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Compared to other countries I think we are doing OK. Nobody is barred from shopping, or leaving the house, refugees aren't imprisoned for 10 years in hotels, we can choose to have the vaccine without huge fines, we have the NHS albeit struggling atm so nobody dies from lack of money to pay doctors and hospitals, nobody going bankrupt because of huge fines for refusing a vaccine, we have a very large percentage of vaccinated people who willingly had it, its 90% in my area. Try a country where you will die from lack of treatment, where babies have to pay with everyone else just to see a doctor, where the ambulance won't pick you up off the street without the right insurance and tell me we have a terrible government. No country is perfect and ours is no different. And all governments are corrupt not just ours.

I so agree Madashell. This country is being ruined by a corrupt incompetent government voted in by a MINORITY of those who voted in 2019, but that minority vote resulted in an eighty seat majority allowing them to do whatever they wanted for the next five years. Belarus is the only other undemocratic European country. They also elect their government by FPTP and look what a state they're in.

One of the worst aspects of FPTP is the way voters feel they have to vote negatively, for the lesser of two evils, rather than positively for the party they actually want to support. No wonder voters are so cynical and feel powerless to effect real change.

The tories give just enough to just enough people to keep themselves in power eg flogging off council house at rock bottom prices to tenants. What amazes me is why else working class (ie anyone who works in a proper job - not a sinecure or family/ob network) would ever consider voting tory esp if the candidate is a non-local shoo in. Time for PR voting system

sazz1

Why does anyone vote Conservative? Perhaps they remember Tony Blair and the war. Not to mention Dr Kelly. Read up on it it's fascinating.

I don't think many people were thinking of Blair when they decided not to vote Labour - they were more exercised by the thought Corbyn becoming PM.

Do I believe this government is corrupt? Yes. Do I think other government members haven’t been equally corrupt? No, I just think that there wasn’t the facility for us to find out stuff so quickly.

I feel sorry for Scottish voters who have remained loyal to the Conservatives. They now know that the leader of the Scottish Tories is considered to be a lightweight by a senior member of the government. Regardless of what I think of Douglas Ross this shows great disrespect for the office he holds. Add to this the behaviour of the PM when Blackford speaks at PMQs and
the argument for independence must be growing stronger by the minute. On top of everything else, I fear for the state of the union.

I have disagreed with many governments but have never before believed that we had a government which was deeply corrupt.

sazz1

Why does anyone vote Conservative? Perhaps they remember Tony Blair and the war. Not to mention Dr Kelly. Read up on it it's fascinating.

Gosh. I’m sure most of us hadn’t heard about that! Thanks for informing us.

Why does anyone vote Conservative? Perhaps they remember Tony Blair and the war. Not to mention Dr Kelly. Read up on it it's fascinating.

Regarding blackmail, I thought that Andy Burnham with Manchester’s businesses suffered at BJ hands when there was lockdown. The surrounding towns were threaten with, they would not have any help if they continued not to agree with the government and Manchester was held up as an example.

We deserve so much more than this shower of a Government. They lie about everything from the economy to Covid. The parties have been a disgrace, truly awful given what they put us through.

Now we hear they threatened MPs with taking away funding from their constituencies. It's time for them to go, every last one of them and to have honesty and integrity brought back to our country.

MrsBoot

This treatment of MP's by the Whips office has always gone on by all accounts. Strange that it's suddenly acquiring so much prominence.

What appears to be different now is that the whips haven't before threatened to withdraw, or withhold, money from the MP's constituency if the MP doesn't obey the whip. Their usual 'inducements' have been to 'suggest' that the MP won't be in line for any promotion, or to reveal episodes in their life that they wouldn't care to be made known.

Withholding money from constituencies is completely unacceptable.

YES! What about the Bliar/Brown era followed by the labour leader who preceded Kier what's his name. Was not that era shameful enough? Is it not said, Let he who is without shame cast the first stone.

Should whips have this power? To take away what has been given?

MerylStreep

I assumed it’s always been this way. I’ve never had very high expectations from the majority of MPs or those within that circle.

I agree. It's always been this way we're only able to find it out because of spyware, digital advances and people breaking confidentiality for various good or selfish reasons.

Yes I definitely think things have been worse and Couid be worse lol
I remember the the electricity strikes and when I was little that meant we only went to school a couple of days a week. And the time after I was married when our mortgage rates went up so much we were desperately struggling to pay our mortgage and in negative equity.
Yes there’s a big scandal over the lock down parties etc but on the positive side, the pandemic seems to be waning, so unless some one else eats a dodgy bat or plays with some virus in a lab and let’s it escape, things might be on the up !

My local area has been staunchly Labour for many years. Cuts in funding have been applied by the Conservatives every year. The Council has done an excellent job in trying to minimise lack of cash by becoming as efficient as possible, but they have just about reached their limits now. People are suffering because of the lack of funding, especially in Social Care.

Mummer

Oop north in my town we have had labour councils for maybe 20 years after decades of lfip flopping between lab/Con. Last con MP sacked for corruption (shock horror) we now have a fantastic very high profile MP who's seen in and around town frequently lives in area and is sooo approachable it's bonkers! He's engaged and fights like mad for his constituents , last open meeting he attended was a full house held I a local community hall he was great! Supporting our cause to the hilt. "How does he find the time?" "Is he not in the House much?" I hear some wonder. Well he's Sir Lyndsay Hoyle, so you tell us here in Lancashire?

That’s great to hear !

Now there is social media and the instant "news", there is trial by knee-jerk reaction. Much better to wait a few hours or days to ascertain all the facts, pro and contra, and form a balanced opinion of your own. If you wish things weren't as they are, then just be careful what you do wish for.