Russian massing on the Ukrainian border

Chewbacca

^This time, the UK is totally alone and isolated in this^

As disgusted, dismayed and depressed as I am with the government in the UK, to say that we are totally alone and isolated in this is total, utter and complete balderdash. Read CNN, SKY, even the BBC for goodness sake but please, stop spouting utter cobblers.

I am not talking about the News- I am talking about the UK as a military force- yes, totally isolated.

Kali2 sorry but you are misinformed

I am not talking about the News- I am talking about the UK as a military force- yes, totally isolated

And you're still talking twaddle. I could provide you with a great deal of information about the UK military forces, particularly regarding the RAF, but I'm happy to let you continue to stir yourself up into a maelstrom of excitement, hysteria and more foretellings of imminent doom for the UK. I know you enjoy that. Enjoy.

Misinformation is often a question of interpretation. Been doing a lot of reading recently that confirms mine.

As said, we always knew that MAD was just an illusion, until the wrong person, a psychopath (or two, or more) get involved.

I certainy do not enjoy this- I have all my family in the UK- I don't want them in the firing line. What can the RAF do on its own- but put us all in massive danger. Throw your insults if you wish- but perhaps you need to step back and watch with a bit of emotional distance.

but perhaps you need to step back and watch with a bit of emotional distance.

oh the irony of that!

Anyone who does not see that the situation is hugely dangerous at the moment, and the UK isolated- is seriously delusional. Dangerous indeed.

There is only one delusional poster?

The UK is militarily isolated, and not in a position to get militarily involved at the moment, for so many reasons, including financially. Ruling the waves is long gone, and the RAF cannot truly compensate for this without putting all in huge danger.

NATO

Yes, I know.

The position of the UK currently with NATO is not clear, and neither is its position in relation to Europe, post Brexit. Its role and agenda are just not clear.

''The UK can best tackle the challenges of a more dangerous world in alliance with the Europeans and working closely with the EU as well as NATO. Going it alone in a world of big power blocs and rising geo-political rivalries risks a dispersal of resources and energy for little strategic gain. After the years of throwing off its EU shackles and minimising its involvement, there will come a time of reconstruction and a more sober minded appraisal of the UK’s interests and priorities. Public opinion does not stay the same, governments change and political debates can be led for good, as well as bad. The time is not far off when the UK will have mature discussions about Europe. It will not rejoin the EU after all that has happened but it can still have a close relationship with it. After all, we are talking about European Strategic Autonomy and European security and defence rather than just the EU here. So these are issues for all the Europeans working together. The mistake is to think that the objective can be achieved without putting the EU at the centre – and working only around it.


Jamie Shea is a former NATO official and now visiting professor at the University of Exeter as well as President of the Centre for War Studies at the University of Southern Denmark. He is a frequent speaker and panellist on NATO and European security issues. ''

Kali2

The UK is militarily isolated, and not in a position to get militarily involved at the moment, for so many reasons, including financially. Ruling the waves is long gone, and the RAF cannot truly compensate for this without putting all in huge danger.

NATO

Ruling the waves is long gone

Who said anything about ruling the waves?

Jamie Shea is a former NATO official

And quite the maverick celebrity as far as I remember.

The UK is militarily isolated, and not in a position to get militarily involved at the moment, for so many reasons, including financially.
We are a major financial contributor to NATO, paying in more than France or Germany, who both know that NATO is what keeps them and the rest of Europe safe and has done since it’s inception. As members of NATO we will never be “militarily isolated”. Time to put Chicken Little back in her coop!

Chewbacca

^I am not talking about the News- I am talking about the UK as a military force- yes, totally^ isolated

And you're still talking twaddle. I could provide you with a great deal of information about the UK military forces, particularly regarding the RAF, but I'm happy to let you continue to stir yourself up into a maelstrom of excitement, hysteria and more foretellings of imminent doom for the UK. I know you enjoy that. Enjoy.

Chewbacca
Thank you for writing the above post, saved me the trouble.
I would only change one thing: the word twaddle for bollocks

Greyduster

^The UK is militarily isolated, and not in a position to get militarily involved at the moment, for so many reasons, including financially^.
We are a major financial contributor to NATO, paying in more than France or Germany, who both know that NATO is what keeps them and the rest of Europe safe and has done since it’s inception. As members of NATO we will never be “militarily isolated”. Time to put Chicken Little back in her coop!

Correct... We may be a small island but we are very important to NATO.

Greyduster

^The UK is militarily isolated, and not in a position to get militarily involved at the moment, for so many reasons, including financially^.
We are a major financial contributor to NATO, paying in more than France or Germany, who both know that NATO is what keeps them and the rest of Europe safe and has done since it’s inception. As members of NATO we will never be “militarily isolated”. Time to put Chicken Little back in her coop!

Chicken Little ?

The position of the UK within NATO, and with relation to the USA and to Europe- is not well defined at the moment. It will take time for those relationships to become clearer and firmed up. And puts the UK (and my family, children and grandchildren within) in a precarious and difficult position- and certainly not in a position to go it alone, or to be pushed into action by the USA, or anyone else for that matter.

But really, Chicken Little ?!? Despicable.

The situation is worrying enough without hysteria and misinformation being added into the mix.

From the Telegraph today:

“This isn’t just about Ukraine, but about democracy, sovereignty, the right of people to determine their own future without being bullied and then subjugated. In short, it’s about freedom – something that 40 million Ukrainians have learned to love, and which the West is privileged enough to take for granted.

Britain and America realise this. Others appear not to.

Time is running out for the EU to stay on the right side of history.”

The U.K. is a major contributor to NATO along with being involved in the UN.

How the bureaucrats in the EU can prevaricate on a European Country being invaded by an aggressor is beyond belief. The aggressor is knocking on Europe’s door.

If the situation escalates, than all of Europe needs to be ready.

Time is running out for the EU to stay on the right side of history

Very apt Urmstongran

Now is not the time to be divided.

Putin has worked hard for this to happen in Europe and looks as if he is succeeding.

We are cleverer than that ( or should be).

We should use soft power to strike back. We have the resources and the willingness from both USA and Europe.

Remember divided we fall.

Don’t be a fool and play Putins he game

You do understand the concept of MAD.

Whatever you think of 'Europe's position' - it is clear that the relationship of the UK with NATO, separate from 'Europe' - is a very difficult one. It was already clear when Blair rushed us into war, even before Brexit.

Putin is a very dangerous man- he wants to provoke us into action. Why?