Boris and his lockdown birthday party

growstuff

Alegrias1

Now far be it from me to be seen to be agreeing with Urmstongran twice in one week, and I certainly don't want to he seen to be agreeing with Johnson, but Denmark are planning to lift all their restrictions from next Tuesday.

Things have changed.

It will be interesting to see the figures after 31 January, when re-infections will be included in the stats.

Yes it will growstuff. And even if we are only recording half or a third of all the infections, we'll still be at a lower level than Denmark. (And France, BTW)

And the level of people in hospital and ICU will still be the same and will be significantly lower than during other waves. We need to be concentrating on different metrics, not just cases. We can't take stringent measures "in case" things get worse, only when there are real risks that they will.

No it’s not looking much worse for the civil service than it is for Boris, how can it? He is the PM, he sets the culture for the civil service particularly those working at No10 and his own personal private secretary(!) , he authorised and attended some of these parties. It can’t get much worse for him can it - until the next revelation which is no doubt in the wings.

Alegrias1

Now far be it from me to be seen to be agreeing with Urmstongran twice in one week, and I certainly don't want to he seen to be agreeing with Johnson, but Denmark are planning to lift all their restrictions from next Tuesday.

Things have changed.

It will be interesting to see the figures after 31 January, when re-infections will be included in the stats.

Urmstongran

Better it seems than buttoning down & mask wearing outside (!) as in Europe. Have you seen their figures? We did exactly the right thing in my opinion, of course.

You mean that you think it's a good thing to infect people? I shall be giving everybody like you a very wide berth.

*^So what? How low do we want to go^?

My point too, growstuff but the bar has been set pretty low.

Oh look - now the unions want their card carrying civil servants removed from the report. When they asked for a report on parties, everyone knew they meant "only the parties where we can get Boris".

This is starting to look much worse for the civil service than Boris himself.

growstuff

railman

GG13 - because the alternative was unthinkable. ??

Most of the Johnson plans are actually recycled from Corbyn's manifesto and policies - so I'm guessing the current plans must be "unthinkable" as well.

Er? I don't think Corbyn had plans to clamp down on protest, undermine the judiciary, refuse to help people drowning or increase tax (via NICs) for the poorest, stop funding the BBC or sell off the NHS.

growstuff - I was referring to the "massive rollout of broadband" across the country.

This is something Johnson makes clear, along with his claim about world beating this and that, and the vaccine rollout race, yah boo sucks to Johnny Foreigner bombast.

I know that Corbyn - as one of the supporters - would not have this approach.

My fault, I should have made this clearer in my post.

Alegrias ?

Better it seems than buttoning down & mask wearing outside (!) as in Europe. Have you seen their figures? We did exactly the right thing in my opinion, of course.

Now far be it from me to be seen to be agreeing with Urmstongran twice in one week, and I certainly don't want to he seen to be agreeing with Johnson, but Denmark are planning to lift all their restrictions from next Tuesday.

Things have changed.

Urmstongran

^They are pretty much the people who voted against the Covid Regulations in December. 100 of them^

And huge thanks to them from many. The best response ever in Europe.
Look where we are and our FREEDOMS!
Excellent.

You mean the freedom to go round randomly infecting other people? Weird!

Callistemon21

MayBee70

I sometimes see cartoons from other countries about Johnson. Since Trump departed I don’t recall seeing cartoons about other world leaders so surely that means that he is regarded as a figure if fun both here and abroad?

Perhaps you don't look in the right places, MayBee70

I am in no way defending Johnson as can be seen from my posts but just saying that other politicians and leaders around the world receive the same derision.

So what? How low do we want to go?

Point of order.

100 people did not vote against the covid regulations in December.

100 people voted against the imposition of vaccine passes and if I'd been an MP I would have joined them.

MayBee70

I sometimes see cartoons from other countries about Johnson. Since Trump departed I don’t recall seeing cartoons about other world leaders so surely that means that he is regarded as a figure if fun both here and abroad?

Perhaps you don't look in the right places, MayBee70

I am in no way defending Johnson as can be seen from my posts but just saying that other politicians and leaders around the world receive the same derision.

I sometimes see cartoons from other countries about Johnson. Since Trump departed I don’t recall seeing cartoons about other world leaders so surely that means that he is regarded as a figure if fun both here and abroad?

I wasn't attacking the poster, just saying that so many of these posts sound so familiar.
I don't have to prove it to anyone who has a good memory.

Just an aside - I like the new font for italics - it’s much clearer!

They are pretty much the people who voted against the Covid Regulations in December. 100 of them

And huge thanks to them from many. The best response ever in Europe.
Look where we are and our FREEDOMS!
Excellent.

Callistemon21

janeainsworth

Are other countries actually making fun of us, and enjoying the spectacle? That’s what ‘laughing stock’ implies.

Untrustworthiness is a very serious charge, I agree, but very different from being a laughing stock.

Being described as a ‘laughing stock’ perhaps says more about those doing the laughing than those being laughed at.

I see nothing to laugh at in our present situation. If others want to laugh, let them.

I suspect much of Kali's posts are cut and paste jobs from many of her earlier posts over very many years.

Prove it?

Why are you attacking the poster? If you don't think her stance is correct then prove it's wrong, don't make snidey posts about it.

so, not only are we being ruled by a minority administration, there is a minority within the minority, so about 35 people? Terrifying, Mark Francois, Peter Bone........god help us

Not such a minority, GillT57. They are pretty much the people who voted against the Covid Regulations in December. 100 of them. That's the tory majority gone...

What a powerful lever they hold over any PM.

janeainsworth

Are other countries actually making fun of us, and enjoying the spectacle? That’s what ‘laughing stock’ implies.

Untrustworthiness is a very serious charge, I agree, but very different from being a laughing stock.

Being described as a ‘laughing stock’ perhaps says more about those doing the laughing than those being laughed at.

I see nothing to laugh at in our present situation. If others want to laugh, let them.

I suspect much of Kali's posts are cut and paste jobs from many of her earlier posts over very many years.

Any leader that tried to tame them would split the party and that is what the party is most frightened of because it would mean losing power And this is exactly why we are in the mess we are in, due to Cameron trying to calm the ERG by calling the referendum, and we all know how well that is working out don't we? So, not only are we being ruled by a minority administration, there is a minority within the minority, so about 35 people? Terrifying, Mark Francois, Peter Bone........god help us

I don't believe it's petty at all. It shows that we have a leader who makes rules which he's not prepare to follow himself and then to lie about it. I expect more from the person leading my country.

Having been alive a long time ,and gone in and out of different leaderships. Both main parties are as bad as each other, Who ever gets to be Prime Minister ,.After a while it becomes the same ,and everyone is criticizing them. I did hear that the Labour party had some sort of Xmas celebration, that seems to have gone quiet. Just how much can we believe from Politicians. If Boris gets booted out, we can then start criticizing the next Leader and on it goes, Its rather petty for this to be main news, when there is talk of Russia and there invasion. Surely we should be focusing on that and not a birthday party.

''Are other countries actually making fun of us, and enjoying the spectacle? That’s what ‘laughing stock’ implies.''

yes, the Press everywhere in the world, the cartoonists, social media- and people I talk to all the time. I find it heart-breaking, and spend all my time trying to re-dress, but in vain.